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Conan The Westy 
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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 Posted - 01/27/2007 : 02:29:15
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Originally posted by Salopian
I have got numerous friends (all of my friends, really) with opinions I believe to be wrong. This does not mean that I am not friends with them.
Amen to that. It would be pretty boring if we could only be friends with those who think the same way as us.  |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/27/2007 : 09:22:40
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Originally posted by Conan The Westy
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Originally posted by Salopian
I have got numerous friends (all of my friends, really) with opinions I believe to be wrong. This does not mean that I am not friends with them.
Amen to that. It would be pretty boring if we could only be friends with those who think the same way as us.
Oh, yes! A valuable lesson that some people take far too long to learn. Such as me! My life has been so much enriched since I did. And, appropos, it's a satisfying way to understand and celebrate both the commonality of our species and simultaneous individuality.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/27/2007 : 09:26:04
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Conan The Westy
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Originally posted by Salopian
I have got numerous friends (all of my friends, really) with opinions I believe to be wrong. This does not mean that I am not friends with them.
Amen to that. It would be pretty boring if we could only be friends with those who think the same way as us.
Oh, yes! A valuable lesson that some people take far too long to learn.
On the other hand, it would also be nice to have some friends which were very similar to me. It can be quite draining not knowing anyone with whom I have much in common.  |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 01/27/2007 : 15:37:08
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| I'd like to point out that we have far more controversial questions to answer, like whether or not FWFR should include miniseries that have been rebroadcast as extra-long TV movies, like It or Storm of the Century. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/27/2007 : 18:20:19
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Originally posted by Downtown
I'd like to point out that we have far more controversial questions to answer, like whether or not FWFR should include miniseries that have been rebroadcast as extra-long TV movies, like It or Storm of the Century.
That would definitely be crucial to any complete Stephen King accolade. |
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 01/28/2007 : 10:33:33
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Originally posted by Downtown
I'd like to point out that we have far more controversial questions to answer, like whether or not FWFR should include miniseries that have been rebroadcast as extra-long TV movies, like It or Storm of the Century.
We often don't receive them as miniseries in Australia but can find some later as 180+ minute features on DVD in the local videoshop. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/28/2007 : 14:46:49
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Originally posted by Downtown
I'd like to point out that we have far more controversial questions to answer, like whether or not FWFR should include miniseries that have been rebroadcast as extra-long TV movies, like It or Storm of the Century.
Actually, I would say very clearly that they should, because there is a precedent of inclusion of them on here. As far as just King's work, the 1994 tv mini-series of The Stand is included, as is both versions of Salem's Lot, The Tommyknockers, It, Sometimes They Come Back, yada yada. But then, I suspect you knew that!! |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 11:16:28
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i also think it's nonsense to make rules about what group can say what. if it's ok for spike lee's characters to say nigger, it has to be ok for qt's characters.
O.K. then - would you really be perfectly content for a white person to call you that, just become some black people call some other black people that? My general point about this issue is that some individuals using certain terms does not mean that that is somehow endorsed by the whole group, even internally. Further, however much black urban youth mught use nigger to refer to each other, I very strongly suspect that even they would not use it to refer to e.g. a nice old lady or a baby. If so, it would be erroneous to apply any kind of generality to this term. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 11:25:50
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On potential racist terms on this site, since Blood Diamond was advertised, I have been meaning to raise for discussion (i.e. I have no desire to submit) "Diamonds, spades". This is just meant as a specific example of punning on a racist term. I maintain my stance that a bit of wordplay does not outweigh the offence that this carries. I would be interested to know whether anyone here would consider submitting a review of this type, and if not, why something like "Finagling faggot finds fame" is in contrast O.K.
Luckily, though, the film turns out to prominently feature an actual spade, so I have submitted "Diamond, spade". |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 11:35:54
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Originally posted by Salopian
On potential racist terms on this site, since Blood Diamond was advertised, I have been meaning to raise for discussion (i.e. I have no desire to submit) "Diamonds, spades". This is just meant as a specific example of punning on a racist term. I maintain my stance that a bit of wordplay does not outweigh the offence that this carries. I would be interested to know whether anyone here would consider submitting a review of this type, and if not, why something like "Finagling faggot finds fame" is in contrast O.K.
I would have thought that the difference was entirely obvious. 
The latter cannot use a Catholic adoption agency. 
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 11:40:15
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The latter cannot use a Catholic adoption agency.
Can now. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 11:59:32
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Originally posted by Salopian
On potential racist terms on this site, since Blood Diamond was advertised, I have been meaning to raise for discussion (i.e. I have no desire to submit) "Diamonds, spades". This is just meant as a specific example of punning on a racist term. I maintain my stance that a bit of wordplay does not outweigh the offence that this carries. I would be interested to know whether anyone here would consider submitting a review of this type, and if not, why something like "Finagling faggot finds fame" is in contrast O.K.
Luckily, though, the film turns out to prominently feature an actual spade, so I have submitted "Diamond, spade".
Funny how language changes. Back in the very pc 1960's Greenwich Village, the hip way to refer to non-whites was 'spades' - its use was not only wide-spread but encouraged by non-whites as THE non-offensive term. And, I think I'm correct, it's when and where the word 'gay' came into popular usage equally encouraged by homosexuals of both genders. Just saying ...
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 12:20:53
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Funny how language changes. Back in the very pc 1960's Greenwich Village, the hip way to refer to non-whites was 'spades' - its use was not only wide-spread but encouraged by non-whites as THE non-offensive term. And, I think I'm correct, it's when and where the word 'gay' came into popular usage equally encouraged by homosexuals of both genders.
I don't think language actually does change anything like as much as people say. However, gay at least is indeed a case. Spade comes from (or from the same idea as) As black as the ace of spades. I would think this goes back much further than the Greenwich Village usage. While it may seem to just be descriptive and thus not explicitly racist, I think it is implicitly so, since (i) no black people are literally as black as the ace of spades and (ii) the vigour of the statement would be disproportionate to relaying a simple fact. I would guess that what was hip in Greenwich Village in the 1960s could very well have concurrently been offensive elsewhere. Gay was certainly popularised in the 1960s, but I am not sure this particularly happened first in Greenwich Village. Between the happy sense and the homosexual sense, it had a meaning of being sexually liberated in general - lots of these references seem to be British. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 12:36:02
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With regards to gay as a noun, I meant to previously expand that its usage outside comedy seems restricted to the plural, i.e. "a gay" sounds ridiculous. This applies to "a black" and "a white" just the same. For me, it is nonsensical for a word to be used in the plural which is so absurd (and thus not used) in the singular.
The use of Gays in the names of organisations seems restricted to the United States, where they also have the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Little People of America, i.e. using terms that are not favoured in most countries or, in the case of Colored, even there.
Another development is the use of gay to mean rubbish, cf. lame. This is extremely common in Britain at least. Although gay in the homosexual sense itself developed from other meanings, I do not approve of this negative meaning since it was developed entirely because of homophobia. Nevertheless, despite Sean's earlier point, this does not in any way cause its use in the main sense to have negative connotations. Also, I mind this perjorative usage less than gay as a noun, as I do not think that people using it now are often being homophobic. For example, people use it talking to me and I am not offended or annoyed. |
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