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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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 Posted - 07/20/2007 : 16:43:51
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The Morning Star?
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:04:27
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Originally posted by Downtown
The Morning Star?
Commie.
Well, my parents were harrassed and attacked for reading The Daily Worker. Personally, I don't believe in political systems of any kind. I regard the epithet Commie as a term of affection.
The M* is a newspaper.
What's your point?
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:14:10
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Somehow, the film always assumes the possibility of God even for non-believers. That's its biggest philosophical flaw.
How so? I'm not following. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:28:50
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
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Somehow, the film always assumes the possibility of God even for non-believers. That's its biggest philosophical flaw.
How so? I'm not following.
define non-believer
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:33:08
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| Um... someone who doesn't believe in God? |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:40:32
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
Um... someone who doesn't believe in God?
someone who doesn't believe in a god
get the difference?
If you're interested in Bergman's own beliefs he partially sets them out in his book
Images: My Life in Film
and further expounds in his autobiography
The Magic Lantern
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:48:01
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No, I mean...
I'm just asking what you meant by the statement, because I don't understand what it means. Do you mean that Bergman is saying even people who say they don't believe in a god actually do believe in a god? Or that there's a God out there even if people don't believe in Him? I'm just confused by what you mean. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 18:00:18
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
No, I mean...
I'm just asking what you meant by the statement, because I don't understand what it means. Do you mean that Bergman is saying even people who say they don't believe in a god actually do believe in a god? Or that there's a God out there even if people don't believe in Him? I'm just confused by what you mean.
As Bergman himself later admitted, his characterization of the atheistic pov in the film begged the question by the assumption that a god existed. He hadn't yet allowed himself to commit his atheist characters [which he later admitted were his own views] to the absence "of deity" - i.e. the concept, not any personification or entity. By the time he got to Fanny and Alexander he puts the dichotomy into the mouth of a child, and is on record as saying that's where it belongs. It's not an adult discussion.
I had the unbelievable honor of meeting him when he came to see our performances of the LaMaMa Troupe European tour of 1967; he took us to his father's Lutheran church outside of Stockholm. As he pointed out, the church was painted black; it was, of course, where he grew up. With characteristic understatement he said the black church influenced him.
What he seemed convinced about was that there be no tyranny of thought. That, so long as ideas don't lead to harm to others, why shouldn't people hold the beliefs they choose.
Seemed like a perfectly decent and moral point of view to me.
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 19:11:05
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Downtown
The Morning Star?
Commie.
Well, my parents were harrassed and attacked for reading The Daily Worker. Personally, I don't believe in political systems of any kind. I regard the epithet Commie as a term of affection.
The M* is a newspaper.
What's your point?
Heck I'm amazed they even HAVE a red daily. Over here, The Socialist Worker gets published twice a month...it's gotta be REALLY hard to sell a newspaper that's two weeks old. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 19:21:42
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Downtown
The Morning Star?
Commie.
Well, my parents were harrassed and attacked for reading The Daily Worker. Personally, I don't believe in political systems of any kind. I regard the epithet Commie as a term of affection.
The M* is a newspaper.
What's your point?
Heck I'm amazed they even HAVE a red daily. Over here, The Socialist Worker gets published twice a month...it's gotta be REALLY hard to sell a newspaper that's two weeks old.
The Daily Worker is the predecessor of The Socialist Worker. I'm a New Yorker and spent the first 26 years of my life there.
The Morning Star was internationally linked with the Daily Worker, then Socialist Worker. It's the only socialist daily in the UK.
BTW - there's an online communist presence from the US, which as you'll see gets reprint rights from the M*
Considering the right wing domination of the press it's a tiny redress.
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 23:58:27
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I saw 7th Seal as clever and stimulating entertainment, I didn't expect to receive any philosophical enlightenment from it. Same with stuff like 2001: A Space Odyssey.  |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 05:27:12
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| Speaking of Bergman, I just got back from a screening of Persona. Maybe I'm a little dense. I didn't understand what I was supposed to get out of the experience other than two impressive performances and some unimpressive experimentation with film editing. Perhaps that's partially my fault for going into it expecting something like The Seventh Seal, which was a movie I loved and get something new out of every time I watch it. Can somebody who saw and liked Persona explain to me why they liked it? |
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 10:58:10
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
My Morning Star review, if you care to look.
Excellent review! Can't wait to see you reviewing newer films, as well.
Thanks, CL!
If you go to the film section or do a search, I've already reviewed Die Hard 4.0 and Harry Potter, in case you hadn't seen those.
My next piece, if they run it, should be a look at the messages sent by Action films - it's a tie-in to Die Hard. It was meant to run a couple of weeks ago, but got bumped from the Culture, Films section to make room when George Melly died.
I'm currently working on a tie-in piece to Homer Simpson on social messages in feature-length animation -- you'll be surprised when the first one was!!
Glad you like my stuff.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 14:51:54
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Yes, I love your reviews. They are totally professional and I'm reading them avidly to try to improve my own. You keep going, Girl!
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The Seventh Seal
