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Yukon Posted - 12/02/2006 : 19:06:30
Here is an idea to improve the quality of reviews on the site and -- at the same time -- make for less work for Benj.

As the site is right now, it rewards quantity instead of quality.
I still have a standard for my reviews that I try to maintain, but I admit I'm submitting reviews that I would grade C's instead of A's.
WHY? Because I like seeing my name move up on the top 100 list.

So I suggest Benj post another top 100 list for the top reviewers based on votes per review (with a minimum of 50 reviews to be eligible). That way people such as Bigger Boat who try to make every review an A+ review get some recognition.

What I also like about this list is that it will change more often than the top 100 reviewers. It will encourage people to delete older reviews that failed to get votes to boost their average.

Also, people who are on the votes-average-review list will be more selective about submitting reviews, thus reducing the massive pending pile for Benj and the MERPs.

What do you think Benj? Everyone else in the FWFR world?
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Rovark Posted - 12/08/2006 : 18:23:59

Oooh Ooooh. List of Most Accolades Created





Actually, don't ever do this. It's far too easy to create accolades and there's a few dodgy ones out there. Looking at my own lists in the FWFRer's Accolade Collections thread, I'm still thinking some of mine may need to go.
Whippersnapper. Posted - 12/08/2006 : 16:09:12

How about a list of the most pending reviews?

Gentleman Ghost Posted - 12/07/2006 : 16:46:05
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
Only problem is "sum" only has three letters. And none of them are "e".



Insert threesome joke here.
Demisemicenturian Posted - 12/06/2006 : 17:41:49
quote:
Originally posted by zulu

Does anybody else think of good reviews, but by the time you come to submit or write them down you cannot remember them?

I wrote "CK" on my hand this morning to remind me to submit a review, and I've only just realised that, given it was for Killer Condom, that that was the wrong way round.
demonic Posted - 12/06/2006 : 17:28:36
Nope! I save fwfr ideas to my mobile phone!
zulu Posted - 12/06/2006 : 14:04:43
I am coming to this party a bit late after a few weeks away. Great idea Yukon, great execution Benj, great reviews Biggerboat. I was delighted to find myself tucked in behind BB! I have to get back to writing some reviews now to chase him.

Does anybody else think of good reviews, but by the time you come to submit or write them down you cannot remember them? I do this all the time and it sucks.

Zulu
Ali Posted - 12/06/2006 : 08:23:55

quote:
My synonym for FWFR is "making fun giddy reviews". Everything other is everything other.


I, too, agree with this. I always strive to bring the funny (or, if you will, the punny) with my reviews. I usually fail miserably, of course, but what else is new?
w22dheartlivie Posted - 12/06/2006 : 06:57:36
quote:
I'm not sure my usage is strictly ironic. (Try looking up Wikipedia for a discussion on what is and is not ironic!) It is meant to be amusing. It's actually quite a clever and snappy idea I think, in that the rest of the phrase is redundant given that the discussion is over. I think I first heard the phrase on "Buffy" - was it in US youth culture before that?


I don't think it's very commonly used yet. If so, it must have taken over the phrase spot previously held by "Talk to the hand..."
thefoxboy Posted - 12/06/2006 : 03:03:10
quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper


Just to put Bigger Boat's position into perspective, he has written 127 reviews averaging just over 21.

TFB's top 200 reviews each have 23 votes or more. And he's 77th.







Thanks for pointing that out Whippa.
Whippersnapper. Posted - 12/05/2006 : 21:49:16
quote:
Originally posted by Salopian

quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper

I don't get impressed by the "it fits the site" argument.

Answer my point about the threat to quality if you want to convince me that this is a good idea, because, if it is a threat to quality, then it cannot, in my opinion, be a good idea.

End of.

Too bad; I would think that Benj would want aspects of the site to fit together.

Yes, all aspects should fit together, but that's not the same as saying that the site should include all aspects which would fit together, which is what you seem to be arguing.

I'd also rather not see dull reviews, but that's a personal point of view that contradicts other people's preferred reviewing methods.

It's more than a personal point of view you and I happen to hold. It's something Benj has asked people to try not to do and something which he perceives, rightly in my opinion, as something which should be discouraged without trying to be too heavy-handed about it.

I really feel that this would not encourage masses of accolade chases. Any that it did for some reason encourage will be exposed to films they were previously unfamiliar with, which would be a good thing.

Hmmm. Your point of view is reasonable but, in my view, probably wrong. Some people are very taken up with accolades and this would give an added prominence, and therefore encouragement, to that activity.

And I take it that you were using "End of" ironically. Anyone that used it genuinely (a la Saskia and Maxwell from Big Brother) could not hope to be taken seriously.

I'm not sure my usage is strictly ironic. (Try looking up Wikipedia for a discussion on what is and is not ironic!) It is meant to be amusing. It's actually quite a clever and snappy idea I think, in that the rest of the phrase is redundant given that the discussion is over. I think I first heard the phrase on "Buffy" - was it in US youth culture before that?

rabid kazook Posted - 12/05/2006 : 13:29:15
quote:
Originally posted by Yukon

quote:
Originally posted by rabid kazook

Great campaign Yukon, great add-ons benj!



I see you're six reviews away from jumping into the top 5 of average votes per review.

It's one thing I like about the page, it gives newbies something to strive for.


Aha.
My synonym for FWFR is "making fun giddy reviews". Everything other is everything other.

Demisemicenturian Posted - 12/05/2006 : 09:28:33
quote:
Originally posted by GHcool

I like Sean's idea for this list as well. In fact, I propose this list replace the current "average votes per review" list.

I'm not sure I'd go that far! However, that way, so long as it were totals rather than averages, it would eliminate the too-few-reviews problem. (Pudking etc. could still be in the list, but would have fewer reviews to get their total from.)
Yukon Posted - 12/05/2006 : 03:10:19
quote:
Originally posted by rabid kazook

Great campaign Yukon, great add-ons benj!



I see you're six reviews away from jumping into the top 5 of average votes per review.

It's one thing I like about the page, it gives newbies something to strive for.
rabid kazook Posted - 12/05/2006 : 00:44:05
Great campaign Yukon, great add-ons benj!
GHcool Posted - 12/04/2006 : 21:41:58
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

quote:
Originally posted by benj clews

Still, I think it might be an interesting discussion to see what other lists people think would give a different spin on things around here.
I think the three current lists cover most bases, i.e., quantity, quality and overall success (total votes). And of course the Top 500 Reviews provides some extra information about who writes the most voteworthy reviews (yeah, I know how subjective this is due to time, exposure etc etc). But, there's one other stat that would give a good indication as to the quality of a reviewer's creme de la creme. I.e, there are some reviewers who write some pretty damn good reviews, and a whole pile of ordinary reviews that drag down their average, so how about qualifying that somewhat? So, how about:-

Average votes per review of a reviewer's Top 100 reviews.

I.e, what's the average votes/review on someone's front page? I think 100 would be a good arbitrary level. Don't ask me why, I just think it would be.



I like Sean's idea for this list as well. In fact, I propose this list replace the current "average votes per review" list.

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