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| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 06/03/2007 : 01:50:30
O.K., various people aren't happy with this or that accolade kicking around, so how about we post here accolades that we really do like? This can be on any basis you like - set of films most fun to write reviews for/most interestingly combined or whatever.
For example, since I don't pursue accolades, I am interested in them as sets of films, and I've heard about many intriguing films that way. The accolade that always most sticks in my mind is therefore this one. There's just something about the deadpan description of the series that always tickles me. In fact, I think I'll add the first film to my Love Film list right now... |
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| BaftaBaby |
Posted - 06/20/2007 : 17:55:24
damn ... bloody keyb. just packed up again ... am tapping out using on-screen keyb, so please excuse!
just wanted 2 say ... after initial rant, i didn't storm off, but suffered puter crash, so only revisited this thread a few minutes ago. i certainly was grumpy! mayB puter crash was retribution
anyway will be back soon, i hope ... & in better spirits!
cheers!
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| Downtown |
Posted - 06/20/2007 : 13:52:48
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
Fair points.  You've obviously studied those accolades much closer than I have. They're lists of good films at any rate, I went through them about six months ago and watched all the ones I could find that I thought I'd like.
I'm glad you found my accolade both entertaining and useful. I have plenty other "genre" accolades. Enjoy. |
| thefoxboy |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 23:54:07
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Originally posted by bife
I thought it was a masterstroke, foxy was devestated.
Damn right I was, mostly devastated that I haven't thought of it myself.
After that my only option was to send a PM to Will Sloan, not a regular on the fourum, explaining what bife was up to and finding a movie for Will to add that would help me out. Will come to the party. 
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Originally posted by bife
By the time we got to the last round, it was a straight out fight for the last review. Can't really remember why anymore, but Joss initially declared me the winner for having my final review posted before foxy, but it turned out to be premature as foxy's had already been approved minutes before mine, he took the title by a point.
Yep, my review was there before yours, but both were approved in my sleeping hours, so you got to PM Joss letting him know that you got the trophy. Joss had already renamed the accolade to "bife's Got a Keen Eye Award". After a recheck of review ID numbers, Joss handed the trophy back to me. 
An update on Joss.
Some of you may have noticed that he has had a few reviews approved in recent times. He tells me that he will get back to the fourum in the near future, I for one look forward to that as he was a great part of FWFR. Avatar competitors beware, he's great at finding winning avatars.
BaftaBabe, put that 'wrong side of the bed' up against the wall.
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| Sean |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 23:51:46
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
Fair points. You've obviously studied those accolades much closer than I have. They're lists of good films at any rate, I went through them about six months ago and watched all the ones I could find that I thought I'd like. |
| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:30:31
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Originally posted by bife
Of the accolades I have written myself, FWFR Oscars is one I think adds value - how cool is it that even at an 'extras' level, at least 7 of our reviewers have been in movies.
Agreed. This is the most important single accolade, as far as I'm concerned. And it has a really nice trophy, even if it is gold.
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I love the 7 airplanes in my trophy cabinet all sitting next to each other, beating their wings slightly out of time.
Me too - not in your cabinet or mine, but Randall's or A.C.'s or someone's. |
| bife |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:05:06
BB: if your interested, here's a recap of Joss's Keen Eye accoalde, at least as well as I can remember it now:
Joss created a one film accolade, a film no one had reviewed. First person to win the accolade (by getting a review posted for the film) would be the winner of round one, and could PM Joss with a new film to add to the accolade. The new film had to be one the winner had already reveiewed, and so it wasn't possible for someone to win two rounds in a row (you had to lose the accolade to be able to win it again).
The accolade was to have 30 rounds, and whoever won the most rounds would have the accolade named after them, which is why it is now called "Thefoxboy's Got a Keen Eye Award".
This was back in the days before MERPs, only benj approved reviews. Reviews tended to be approved chronologically, so posting a review first usually got it approved first. Turnaround time on approvals was usually 2 to 3 days. So the 'skill' of the early rounds of the accolade was to be checking fwfr often enough to see before anybody else that a new film had been added to the accolade, to get a review in before anybody else and to make sure the review was approvable first time.
First 20 rounds were simple enough, I would win a round, nominate a film, foxy would get the next one and nominate, AC would win the next round etc. I seem to remember that foxy, myself, Will Sloan and AC were the active players, but foxy and I pulled away from the pack.
Once foxy and I were ahead by a couple of films it became hard to see how AC or WS could ever get the accolade back. Foxy and I were neck and neck, but he was ahead of me 'on goal difference' - with the score at (say) 6 each, he would get the 7th point, pick a film, I would draw level, he would move ahead again and so on. He was very smug, he could see that no matter what I did I would never be able to overtake him.
That was when I pulled the first 'sneaky stunt', which in retrospect we couldn't understand why no one had thought of before. When I next one the accolade, instead of picking a film I had reviewed but he hadn't, which had been the norm up to that point, I picked a film both he and I had reviewed. Since we both maintained the accolade, neither of us could win the next round, and we had to wait for AC to catch up before we could play the next round. This was to become a standard tactic for the last couple of rounds
Foxy was rightly incensed. We were both putting pressure on benj to approve our reviews ahead of the others, but to no avail, he played fair. As did AC when we pushed him to pick films advantageous to us. However, I hadn't banked on Will Sloan ever recapturing the accolade, foxy did and already had him primed, he picked up the accolade, sided with foxy and foxy moved back into the driving seat.
With three rounds left to play I still couldn't win, I was behind by one point, foxy had picked the next film and both he and I already had it, Will Sloan would pick up the next win and with one to go I would be out. I was gutted. But then I had the brainwave of deleting one of my reviews, thereby losing the accolade, thereby enabling me to re-win it again by posting a new review for it. I won the round, we drew level, I thought it was a masterstroke, foxy was devestated.
By the time we got to the last round, it was a straight out fight for the last review. Can't really remember why anymore, but Joss initially declared me the winner for having my final review posted before foxy, but it turned out to be premature as foxy's had already been approved minutes before mine, he took the title by a point.
The game kept us frantically checking fwfr for reviews on an almost hourly basis for the best part of 2 to 3 months, trying to find details for films with no imdb content before anybody else could, trying to second guess each others' next moves, and trying to figure out and influence who would be siding with whom each week. We did eventually give up trying to bribe benj.
It was a lot of fun, and as accolades go I can't think of one that brings back better memories. It has an interesting selection of films too - see if you can figure out who added which films
Anyways, I may have mixed up any number of the details, this must have been two years ago now and the old grey cells don't hold on to information as long as they used to. |
| bife |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:02:01
Another accolade I enjoyed, I think because it was the first it introduced me to the 'idea' of reviewing films I hadn't seen, as well as to a era of cinema I didn't even know existed, was noncentz's James C. Duncan Innovator Award
It only has three films, which meant it didn't feel too daunting to me having previously never reviewed a film I hadn't seen, and the films are fun to review. I think that at the time we didn't review as many 'obscure' films as we do now, so perhaps the novelty isn't there anymore, but I still think it's a nice accolade.
Of the accolades I have written myself, FWFR Oscars is one I think adds value - how cool is it that even at an 'extras' level, at least 7 of our reviewers have been in movies.
I also enjoy my 'bife's travels' series, firstly because it serves as a reminder to me of all the good and not-so-good that I have seen travelling back and forth over the past couple of years, but also because I love the 7 airplanes in my trophy cabinet all sitting next to each other, beating their wings slightly out of time. (I know there are nine accoaldes in the series, but I have only won seven of them ) |
| Downtown |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 14:56:58
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Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
It doesn't bother me at all that Badbart created an accolade with a theme very similar to mine (my accolade pre-dates his first FWFR, there's no doubt mine was first). But there's a very good reason why his has more films in it: mine only includes films that show actual visions of life after some kind of global calamity, while his includes any kind of film that's in any way related to "the end of the world." For example, I have Terminator and Terminator 2 because both films includes vivid images of life after "Judgement Day," with Kyle's descriptions in Terminator and Sarah's nightmares in T2. But I didn't include T3, because that film merely ends with the bombs dropping...it doesn't concern itself with what comes after that (although it looks like T4 is going to make it's way into my accolade). Badbart did include T3, so you can see the difference.
He also included Titan AE, which technically is after "the end of the world" but I certainly wouldn't include it in my accolade, as the "end of the world" in that film is really only a plot device, and not the point of the story, which is their journey. And he also included earlier films from Romero's "Dead" series, when only Land of the Dead makes it clear that humans have indeed lost virtually the entire planet to the legions of the undead.
So he can keep his accolade or not, it's all the same to me. But I really don't want many of those films in my accolade, so I don't consider it redundant.
And by the way, Mad Max is not "post-apocalyptic." I can't say that enough...I really can't, because even some of the official promotional materials (DVD jackets, etc) incorrectly state that it is, so it doesn't look very likely that I'll ever be able to set the record straight. But there's no global calamity of any kind in that film, it's just a near future where there's more crime and the police are overwhelmed...that's it. It's much closer to Freejack or Escape From New York than its sequels. |
| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 14:39:12
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Maybe I've woken up particularly grumpy this morning,    but I'm disappointed to detect in this thread a whiff of disdain concerning people who create and/or chase which don't cater to the, shall we say, to the more competitive nature of some other achievers
Bafta, I hope you're feeling happier about this having read other people's comments. I didn't mean this thread to be anything other than positive about accolades, and I don't think it has.
It's true that in other threads some people have been quite critical of certain styles of accolade. I myself am not particularly interested in most revolving around certain words. However, some of my own are equivalent to this (though with words relating to me), so I am keen to defend their right to existence. After all, even the plainest of reviews have a right to existence (if they pass muster, of course), and they actually get in the way of reading other reviews, unlike accolades for most films. Anyway, I didn't mean to get into all of that again - I just wanted people who were unhappy with some accolades to be able to talk about ones they liked. There are some accolade fans whom I expected would post here but mysteriously haven't.
So back to enjoyment - Bafta, your accolades often cover films and stars that I have never heard of, so I find it very interesting when you post about them in the Fourum. |
| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 14:29:41
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Originally posted by Se�n
Like Salopian's Accolade Impossible has become redundant post self-movie-additions, that was also competitive and fun for those who were interested.
Yes, it's a shame about that one. It's not technically redundant in that it still has about the same number of films in it as it ever did, i.e. is as achievable apart from the weekly cap being in place - understandably, no one is going to use up their allowance reviewing random films. However, my motivation for creating it was indeed to eliminate unreviewed films, and I felt very pleased to have caused this to happen several times (after there were initially a couple of hundred). Self-addition has meant that there is no hope of ever achieving that again, which is a shame. I therefore myself only add films which really ought to be on the site (i.e. are very likely to get reviewed anyway) or are for accolades. To be fair, though, I think this is true for most people's additions. |
| bife |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 13:40:31
Hey bb - I think you got the wrong end of the stick. Both foxy and I (in my day) have been avid accolade chasers of all creeds and I have created 65 accolades myself. Neither of us has any 'whiff of disdain' for accolades, their creaters or their chasers. We have been part of the circle for a long time!
Joss's accolade simply stood out as something different, and in response to salopian's "what is your favourite accolade?" question the memories that accolade brings back certainly puts it towards the top of my list. I 'spoke' briefly to foxy earlier on MSN, we both agreed it was a 'blast from the past'.
No disrespect meant to any other accolades - only that that one was special for us.
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 12:44:21
Wow, Bafta, you did wake up grumpy. This is a positive thread - talking about accolades we like the best.
The first one I enjoyed doing was someone else's Katharine Hepburn accolade. When it didn't update as I added more of her films, I made my own. I also enjoyed both creating and achieving the one with all the Tracey-Hepburn movies.
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| Sean |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 12:40:16
Baffy, I can assure you that Joss's accolade was 100% fun. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't understand why you'd think there could have been anything wrong with it at all.  It was an excellent and original idea, that's now redundant post MERPing. Like Salopian's Accolade Impossible has become redundant post self-movie-additions, that was also competitive and fun for those who were interested. They were both moving-goalpost accolades.
Think of it as a bunch of good mates playing poker while slugging a bottle of whisky. At the end of the night there's a winner and a loser but nobody really cares. |
| BaftaBaby |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 08:24:48
Maybe I've woken up particularly grumpy this morning, but I'm disappointed to detect in this thread a whiff of disdain concerning people who create and/or chase which don't cater to the, shall we say, to the more competitive nature of some other achievers.
It's been noted elsewhere [not by me, though I agree] that the very concept of accolades has a wide appeal both for those who create them and those who chase them. In other words the fact of accolades is neutral; why do I sense that some of you feel there's some kind of hierarchy inherent in how they're approached. To paraphrase: all accolades are equal but some are more equal than others.
My own particular journey has progressed from someone who didn't really understand what accs were for  , to someone who loves creating them, challenging myself to come up with interesting groupings of films which might otherwise never be considered together, and having fun creating adorable trophies. I also like seeing my trophy cabinet filling up, but I'll confess it's as much for aesthetic reasons as that satisfaction of achievement.
If benj had nothing but time, I'd love to see a function to order the trophies chronologically to cope with the frustration of trying to identify which accolades I've lost because its creator or auto/add has added another film. But I recognize that's a complex programming feat and, let's face it, there are more pressing matters for Our Master to tackle.
I've never considered accolades as some way of 'tricking' other people, and - certainly this grumpy morning - I'm a bit shocked and a bit annoyed that anyone would do that.
On a happier note, it looks as though the sun may shine today, so I expect to be less grumpy as the day wears on. And I love you all, really. 
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| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 07:59:03
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Originally posted by thefoxboy
With the random ways reviews are MERPed these days, I don't know if it would be possible to do another.
Yep, I tried to recreate something similar last year, but it was just too difficult to keep track of and I had to abandon the idea. |
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