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| TitanPa |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 03:02:10
I submitted a review and It was declined with no given reason. It's 2010........and this still happens? How am I suppose to know why? Does anyone else get no reasons? |
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 15:03:03
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Originally posted by Salopian
What saves goy really is that it is about the (non-subjugated) majority and therefore cannot be too disempowering. But it's just such an ugly word -- at least honky is hilarious! 
Hehehe. Oh... I probably shouldn't have laughed at that. No matter.
(There was once a comic who said that most opressed population these days are straight white gentile males, so making jokes at their expense should not be considered to be politically correct anymore.)
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| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 14:43:48
The most important thing to note is that I am totally certain that you are not using it derisively and that you do not hold any views which would subconsciously affect your usage of it.
I think it comes down to a difference of view that has cropped up here many times, mainly with homophobic terms but others too. It is about whether words have inherent connotations or whether it depends upon the mindset of the speaker. Some people here think that anything can be said in good humour, whereas my point of view is that the nuances of words are glued to them and do not go away even if the speaker does not consciously mean to use them. That's not to say that I don't agree that speakers can't give nuances to what they say too, but when that comes to nuances on individual words I think it applies much more in speech, especially face-to-face contexts with friends, than it does in writing.
What saves goy really is that it is about the (non-subjugated) majority and therefore cannot be too disempowering. But it's just such an ugly word -- at least honky is hilarious! |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 14:08:24
If you ask me, the problem isn't with the people that use it - who generally aren't intending it to be derogatory - but rather with those to whom it applies. It is basically a label, much like the word blonde, which has also certain negative connotations in certain circumstances. But I see your point.
(That won't stop me from using it, however, since I don't think I would ever use it in any sense where it would be considered an insult.)
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| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 12:56:36
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Secondly, there is nothing inherently offensive in the word "goy", so I'm not completely sure why you'd feel uncomfortable with it. Literally translated, it simply means "nation" which later became a synonym for non-Jew.
And which later took on some some negative connotations. I don't object to its use in Yiddish, and I don't even strongly object to its use in English, but in the latter it's slang and I guess the crux of it is that any slang term for a group of people (or non-group in this case) by others seems inherently likely to take on offensive traits.
The Random House Dictionary says that it is often disparaging; the others are more neutral, although one says "not necessarily derogatory", which is rather a strange way to put it.
Googling it just now, it seems that a lot of people are rather defensive about it, patronisingly talking about "untrue rumours" that it is offensive &c. I'm afraid this is rather like saying there is nothing inherently offensive in the word negro. Its offensiveness comes from its usage history, not its etymology, and white people don't get to go around insisting that that word is fine. Goy isn't as bad as that, of course, but the same principle applies.
Here is the O.E.D. entry, and that is a good enough final answer for me:
informal, derogatory a Jewish name for a non-Jew |
| MguyXXV |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 07:51:15
Goy? Who you callin "goy"?!?!? 
(Oops! I thought you said "boy". Oy!   ) |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 07:36:42
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Originally posted by Salopian
Leaving aside my not feeling comfortable with the term goy, I'd go for "10 Goyrious Basterds" without the hyphen -- the goy part stands out enough anyway. I'd lose the In- because that would negate the rest of the word, which would then (sort of!) mean Jewish. The 10 can play on the In- part anyway. You could even make it 10goyrious/Ten-goy-rious &c. if you really wanted to emphasise that. By the way, I haven't seen Force 10 from Navarone so am just trusting that the plot is indeed applicable.
You could also in fact have "Ingoyrious Basterds" for Inglourious Basterds.
First of all, thanks for the ideas and clarifications.
Secondly, there is nothing inherently offensive in the word "goy", so I'm not completely sure why you'd feel uncomfortable with it. Literally translated, it simply means "nation" which later became a synonym for non-Jew.
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 07:18:57
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Originally posted by demonic
I may be reading too mucn into it, but the decline here might be to do with the fact the team are codenamed "Force 10" but there aren't actually ten of them as far as I recall - so that wouldn't make sense of the "10... bastards" part. Also I don't see the specific link to the latter film - they're not part of the team because they are Jewish or Gentile or whatever - admittedly they are up against the Nazis, but they're not being specifically sent to kill any of them as in IBs.
Yes, it was a stretch. I just thought of the connection was two motley crews against Nazis. |
| demonic |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 01:20:12
I may be reading too mucn into it, but the decline here might be to do with the fact the team are codenamed "Force 10" but there aren't actually ten of them as far as I recall - so that wouldn't make sense of the "10... bastards" part. Also I don't see the specific link to the latter film - they're not part of the team because they are Jewish or Gentile or whatever - admittedly they are up against the Nazis, but they're not being specifically sent to kill any of them as in IBs. |
| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 17:59:58
Leaving aside my not feeling comfortable with the term goy, I'd go for "10 Goyrious Basterds" without the hyphen -- the goy part stands out enough anyway. I'd lose the In- because that would negate the rest of the word, which would then (sort of!) mean Jewish. The 10 can play on the In- part anyway. You could even make it 10goyrious/Ten-goy-rious &c. if you really wanted to emphasise that. By the way, I haven't seen Force 10 from Navarone so am just trusting that the plot is indeed applicable.
You could also in fact have "Ingoyrious Basterds" for Inglourious Basterds. |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 15:30:14
Yes, well... I thought I was being clever with my Force 10 from Navarone review (10 goyish inglorious bastards), but that got declined without an explination.
(Maybe I should try again with '10 InGoy-rious Basterds'?)
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| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 04/11/2010 : 23:26:46
I have just had a rambling decline which ended "For the third bloody time, Declined". Um, MERP/Benj, that was because you gave no reason the first two times, even though when I resubmitted it I specifically asked for one! I'm not telepathic, I'm afraid. |
| Demisemicenturian |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 13:42:13
I get them ALL THE TIME. I resubmit every one, adding "Why was this rejected please?" Annoyingly, a review often then gets one or more further blank rejections before it is approved or explained. |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 11:59:38
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Originally posted by TitanPa
I submitted a review and It was declined with no given reason. It's 2010........and this still happens? How am I suppose to know why? Does anyone else get no reasons?
Yeah, I got one the other day. I just delete the review and try again. |
