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benj clews 
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 Posted - 09/12/2006 : 08:45:16
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
I don't see how "Sport Relief 2004" can possibly be called a film.
http://www.fwfr.com/display.asp?ID=15577
Show it a red flag please!
Unfortuately there's nothing on imdb saying it *isn't* a film and I don't want to have to decide for myself what is or isn't a film  |
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 09:17:15
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
I don't see how "Sport Relief 2004" can possibly be called a film.
http://www.fwfr.com/display.asp?ID=15577
I agree that it is not a film, but I submitted it because it was the only I.M.D.B. 'film' for Ben Fogle, and benj had already been completely clear for a long time beforehand that he wholly follows the I.M.D.B. on this issue. Until benj states here that he has changed this policy, which I think would be perfectly fine for him to do, then there is no point in asking him to delete things that the I.M.D.B. classifies as films. Your best bet is to address this with the I.M.D.B. - perhaps they will reclassify it for you. (This is what I plan to do with films I have submitted here that are not on the I.M.D.B. at all, when I get around to it.) |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 10:00:39
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Originally posted by Salopian
Your best bet is to address this with the I.M.D.B. - perhaps they will reclassify it for you. (This is what I plan to do with films I have submitted here that are not on the I.M.D.B. at all, when I get around to it.)
Interesting. You have some too? I tried to get a movie added to IMDb a few months back (so I could add it to fwfr and review it), but unfortunately I needed to know the director's wife's maiden name and the precise quantity of milk he poured on his cornflakes on the morning of the 4th day's shooting in order to add it, so after a month's wait IMDb declined to add it. 
It was a movie called "Nullarbor Hideout" from 1963, and I'd rate it as the movie that started me on the path to movie-aholism in the mid-1970s. Obviously Western Australian, it was an Australian Film Commission movie, and I even supplied IMDb with AFC contact details so they could confirm the movie's existence with the creators, but perhaps the AFC didn't respond or the movie has been lost in the cellars and those involved in it's production have died or moved on or whatever. Either way IMDb didn't add it. 
Footnote: Perhaps I should contact AFC themselves and try to drag the information out of them and have another go at adding it. I might try this.  |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 11:05:00
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Originally posted by Salopian
quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper
I don't see how "Sport Relief 2004" can possibly be called a film.
http://www.fwfr.com/display.asp?ID=15577
I agree that it is not a film, but I submitted it because it was the only I.M.D.B. 'film' for Ben Fogle, and benj had already been completely clear for a long time beforehand that he wholly follows the I.M.D.B. on this issue. Until benj states here that he has changed this policy, which I think would be perfectly fine for him to do, then there is no point in asking him to delete things that the I.M.D.B. classifies as films. Your best bet is to address this with the I.M.D.B. - perhaps they will reclassify it for you. (This is what I plan to do with films I have submitted here that are not on the I.M.D.B. at all, when I get around to it.)
OK. I'll try it and see what happens.
I take your point and Benj's, but its still a shame to see the site sullied by entries which undisputably are not films. Its one thing to follow IMDB on reasonable judgment calls (even if we disagree with it) but its another to follow it when it is clearly wrong.  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 13:07:08
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Originally posted by Se�n
Interesting. You have some too?
I imagined that films would be difficult to submit, which is why I haven't tried yet. I had a couple which I think were later added, one that still hasn't been and one that I have heard about being made in a year or two. In the latter case, therefore, it might be best to sit it out. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/17/2006 : 22:42:27
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OK, I now have an answer from those nice folks at IMDB:
Thank you for your message to the Internet Movie Database.
The IMDb lists all kind of titles, not just films. We also list appearances in TV specials, documentaries and other non-fiction productions. The recent surge in popularity of 'making of' featurettes (especially due to the DVD sales boom), reality TV series and other productions where famous (and not-so-famous) people routinely appear as themselves.
To see what types of titles we list, please see: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titletypes
To see how we format titles in the database, please see:
http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titleformat
Please note that not ALL television shows or other types of titles are eligible to be listed; titles are examined by our title editors to verify their eligibility for listing in the database.
Every title submitted to the IMDb has to be approved by our editors, who
need to verify that it's eligible for inclusion in the database. For more details, see: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?resumetitle
Eligibility is not the same thing as existence. We do not ask whether the film or title exists: we verify that it fulfills our requirements to be listed.
Unfortunately, this means that either Benj changes his rule of always following IMDB to determine inclusion, or we will have to put up with all kinds of non-film entries added here.
Personally I'm unenamoured by the idea of including the likes of "Sports Relief 2004" on fwfr.
But what does Benj think??  |
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Rovark
"Luck-pushing, rule-bending, chance-taking reviewer"
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Posted - 09/17/2006 : 23:24:12
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Unfortunately, this means that either Benj changes his rule of always following IMDB to determine inclusion, or we will have to put up with all kinds of non-film entries added here.
Personally I'm unenamoured by the idea of including the likes of "Sports Relief 2004" on fwfr.
But what does Benj think??
My personal bugbear is that "Bambi meets Godzilla" is listed as a film and has a couple of hundred reviews on this site.
It's a minute and a half long, animated gag.
I've seen movies with opening credits that have higher production values than this chuffing 'film'
Benj doesn't have the time to research all films on the database, so if the criteria is IMBD, then I think we're gonna have to just live with it.
nb Benj, I've got a lot of 'reel'(sic) films in my pending pile just waiting to be added..... hint hint 
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/18/2006 : 00:28:36
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Originally posted by Rovark
quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Unfortunately, this means that either Benj changes his rule of always following IMDB to determine inclusion, or we will have to put up with all kinds of non-film entries added here.
Personally I'm unenamoured by the idea of including the likes of "Sports Relief 2004" on fwfr.
But what does Benj think??
My personal bugbear is that "Bambi meets Godzilla" is listed as a film and has a couple of hundred reviews on this site.
It's a minute and a half long, animated gag.
I've seen movies with opening credits that have higher production values than this chuffing 'film'
Benj doesn't have the time to research all films on the database, so if the criteria is IMBD, then I think we're gonna have to just live with it.
nb Benj, I've got a lot of 'reel'(sic) films in my pending pile just waiting to be added..... hint hint
Not the strongest argument I've ever been faced with Rovy.
Exactly how long does it take Benj to realise "Sport Relief 2004" isn't a film?
Actually the reason for the slowness of Benj adding new films is that, unless he knows the film, he does have to research it to check that the review is valid, so for entries which are clearly not films it would save Benj time to reject it rather than spending tiem checking the review was factually correct.
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MM0rkeleb 
"Better than HBO."
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 15:54:00
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The recently added FLCL is not a film. It is a six episode OVA series.
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benj clews
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 16:14:24
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Originally posted by M0rkeleb
The recently added FLCL is not a film. It is a six episode OVA series.
FLCLeared. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 18:50:18
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This is just a standard answer, though. They have not understood your point. It is irrelevant that the I.M.D.B. lists non-films; that was not your query. They have not given any information as to why the title in question should be listed as a film. Essentially, your point is that the "TV" category should include more television programmes than just television series. I agree that it should; I simply exploited the fact that it did not, as it was more important to me to have Ben Fogle on this site than to exclude a title than I didn't consider a film.
quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper
OK, I now have an answer from those nice folks at IMDB:
Thank you for your message to the Internet Movie Database.
The IMDb lists all kind of titles, not just films. We also list appearances in TV specials, documentaries and other non-fiction productions. The recent surge in popularity of 'making of' featurettes (especially due to the DVD sales boom), reality TV series and other productions where famous (and not-so-famous) people routinely appear as themselves.
To see what types of titles we list, please see: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titletypes
To see how we format titles in the database, please see:
http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titleformat
Please note that not ALL television shows or other types of titles are eligible to be listed; titles are examined by our title editors to verify their eligibility for listing in the database.
Every title submitted to the IMDb has to be approved by our editors, who
need to verify that it's eligible for inclusion in the database. For more details, see: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?resumetitle
Eligibility is not the same thing as existence. We do not ask whether the film or title exists: we verify that it fulfills our requirements to be listed.
Unfortunately, this means that either Benj changes his rule of always following IMDB to determine inclusion, or we will have to put up with all kinds of non-film entries added here.
Personally I'm unenamoured by the idea of including the likes of "Sports Relief 2004" on fwfr.
But what does Benj think??
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 09:29:09
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| Ooops! I see from the new films that the TV movie Byron was just added, but when I clicked on the IMDb link, I see it is actually a 2 part mini-series. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 09:53:47
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I added this. The I.M.D.B. lists it as a film. It varies with regard to how it treats miniseries, e.g. the current one of Jane Eyre it treats as a television series. I assume that length has something to do with it, such that ones like Byron are considered to be a film shown over two nights. Miniseries do in fact have more in common with films than with television series - the episodes are not to anything like the same degree planned as units with their own shape.
As always with this issue, until benj announces that he is not going to strictly follow the I.M.D.B., then the best thing to do is to take it up with them instead of mentioning individual cases here.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 11:16:51
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Originally posted by Salopian
I added this. The I.M.D.B. lists it as a film. It varies with regard to how it treats miniseries, e.g. the current one of Jane Eyre it treats as a television series. I assume that length has something to do with it, such that ones like Byron are considered to be a film shown over two nights. Miniseries do in fact have more in common with films than with television series - the episodes are not to anything like the same degree planned as units with their own shape.
As always with this issue, until benj announces that he is not going to strictly follow the I.M.D.B., then the best thing to do is to take it up with them instead of mentioning individual cases here.
I see. Okay, so say I wanted to add Elizabeth I to the database here, since it doesn't say it's a TV-Series in the title, I could do so, despite it having run for two nights?
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 11:59:10
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I've already got it pending.
The rule is that on the I.M.D.B. only things in quotation marks count as television programmes. '(TV)' just means that it is a film made for television, which even includes things like Sybil.
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Films that are not films.
