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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 08/29/2006 : 11:44:26
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Originally posted by bife
In fact - and he's still narked by it 2 years later - Salopian had already had the same review declined for the same film before I had mine accepted.
I promise I'm not too narked, though I do really, really wish you had deleted it. Apart from anything else, Alan Smithee will be ahead of me even sooner now. I mainly keep it in mind because I think that these discrepancies ought to be addressed as a general principle. As a result of this, I kept all rejected reviews from then on, assuming that I would then be given them, if I wanted, if they were approved for anyone else. However, this is not the case. A duplicate has since appeared which remains in place of mine, and, much more frustrating, a near-duplicate was then approved while my older review was still pending - my review was then rejected for being too similar to the newer review! I really think that the MERPs should have to vote on every pending review for any film they process (unless they cannot understand it but think that other MERPs may) - I had previously taken for granted that this was the case.
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bife
"Winners never quit ... fwfr ... "
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 13:19:39
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I do understand your 'consistency frustration', but learned a long time ago that I would just have to live with it.
Back in the days when benj approved all reviews himself, he was still inconsistent and I saw a number of my declined reviews subsequently approved for other reviewers. I am sure there was no favouritism involved, just a difficulty in applying 'grey' rules consistently week after week.
Now that we have a panel of MERPs, all of whom presumably have a common understanding but with slightly differing interpretations (which they must have, since benj wasn't even consistent with himself), I think the chances of us getting the ideal level, fair playing field are slim.
I am not belittling your concern on consistency, just saying that I find the best way to deal with it is to 'get over it'. I have been through a couple of periods where I would keep my 'really good and valid reviews' after they had been declined for a second time - they would sit there in my declined pile while day after day the injustice of my good review being declined would eat away at me, until eventually I would delete the review and feel all the angst dissipate.
Just my own personal observation |
Edited by - bife on 08/29/2006 13:20:00 |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 13:48:36
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I agree that the MERPs cannot be expected to be fully consistent. However, I think that when errors are made, they should be rectified. Since it seems that reviews identical to former rejections are now automatically rejected (as came up in another thread), this would in fact only involve a very small amount of work on previous cases.
With regard to the "wed" one, Alan Smithee having it is by far the thing I mind most. I know that you wanted to distance yourself from it, but for me and everyone else, it's just as much on the site as before.
But the most annoying thing by far is my older review being left pending when an essentially identical review was approved. This cannot be considered human error or a difference of interpretation. It makes me highly wary of the MERP process, as does another piece of evidence which I shall not get into now. |
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 18:10:38
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| I've also had identical reviews accepted after mine was rejected. I just shrug my shoulders; it's probably happened in reverse to several others. I find that the karmic wheel tends to even things out in the long run. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 12:02:59
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| You've got about ten times as many reviews as me, though; therefore, it's likely that this has happened about ten times as often to you (although perhaps not the most severe case that I have described); therefore, it's likely that I'm more bothered about individual cases than you are. Conversely, I couldn't care less how few accolades I have achieved; different aspects of the site are important to different people. |
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 13:53:29
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Originally posted by Salopian
therefore, it's likely that I'm more bothered about individual cases than you are.
Or Randall could be 10 times more bothered, he just chooses to move on.
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Originally posted by Salopian
Conversely, I couldn't care less how few accolades I have achieved; different aspects of the site are important to different people.
True very true.
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 13:58:25
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Originally posted by Willy Weasel
Josh you appear to have steered a new "Vote for me because I'm trailing the leader." thread to a "Vote for my friend/personal favourite which is already leading." After a rather surprising first election campaign this could all get very confusing. As far as your nominated film is concerned I agree that Rovark has a tasty review but I would rather see a recently approved starter top the menu. 
Well you got my vote(but so did Rovark), good luck with the electioneering.
Josh the cat. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 08/30/2006 : 14:42:18
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Originally posted by Salopian
You've got about ten times as many reviews as me, though;
As I. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 13:13:10
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
You've got about ten times as many reviews as me, though;
As I.
Hhmmm, I can never decide whether that is a(n) historic (i.e. naturally developed) feature of English or one that was prescribed by nineteenth-century grammarians. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 13:15:05
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Originally posted by Josh the cat
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Originally posted by Salopian
therefore, it's likely that I'm more bothered about individual cases than you are.
Or Randall could be 10 times more bothered, he just chooses to move on.
If he cared about that ten times as much as I do, he wouldn't move on, would he? People don't really move on from things they care about it. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 17:58:52
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
You've got about ten times as many reviews as me, though;
As I.
Hhmmm, I can never decide whether that is a(n) historic (i.e. naturally developed) feature of English or one that was prescribed by nineteenth-century grammarians.
To get it right every time, simply imagine the understood missing word. You would never write, "...as many reviews as me have," no matter who prescribed the rule. [Pardon: "...as many reviews as me've got."] At least me wouldn't. |
Edited by - randall on 09/12/2006 23:58:51 |
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 18:58:48
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Josh the cat
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Originally posted by Salopian
therefore, it's likely that I'm more bothered about individual cases than you are.
Or Randall could be 10 times more bothered, he just chooses to move on.
If he cared about that ten times as much as I do, he wouldn't move on, would he? People don't really move on from things they care about it.
Really, I remember and move on from things that are very important to me, if I have no choice! |
Edited by - Josh the cat on 09/13/2006 00:15:42 |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/13/2006 : 13:41:29
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Originally posted by Randall
To get it right every time, simply imagine the understood missing word. You would never write, "...as many reviews as me have," no matter who prescribed the rule. [Pardon: "...as many reviews as me've got."] At least me wouldn't.
If one considers there to be a missing verb, then it would indeed certainly have to be the subject form. Instinct tells me there that isn't, although while I cannot prove this to myself I will assume that this is a real, naturally developed rule. However, "than" is cognate with "then", which suggests that "He is taller than I/me" comes from "He is taller, then I/me". For this, "He is taller, then me" sounds more natural, but this may be due to the same judgment as on the above, and on "It is I". So, as I say, for now I am convinced and will go with "than I".  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/13/2006 : 13:51:17
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Originally posted by Josh the cat
Really, I remember and move on from things that are very important to me, if I have no choice!
If you remember them, then you haven't moved on, and nor should you. Whether or not you choose to talk about the things you remember does not change this. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 09/13/2006 : 18:48:19
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Randall
To get it right every time, simply imagine the understood missing word. You would never write, "...as many reviews as me have," no matter who prescribed the rule. [Pardon: "...as many reviews as me've got."] At least me wouldn't.
If one considers there to be a missing verb, then it would indeed certainly have to be the subject form. Instinct tells me there that isn't, although while I cannot prove this to myself I will assume that this is a real, naturally developed rule. However, "than" is cognate with "then", which suggests that "He is taller than I/me" comes from "He is taller, then I/me". For this, "He is taller, then me" sounds more natural, but this may be due to the same judgment as on the above, and on "It is I". So, as I say, for now I am convinced and will go with "than I".
Not sure I buy your "cognate" argument. Nope, upon reflection I'm sure I don't. This much I do know: any English-speaking teacher or editor [perhaps excluding yourself], at least on this side of the Pond and I dare say on your own as well, would correct the flawed usage "he is taller than me." As, once again, would me. |
Edited by - randall on 09/13/2006 18:51:04 |
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