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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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 Posted - 12/24/2006 : 09:12:57
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When you get a tiny moment ... you know how there are two logins here either to .co.uk or .com ... is there any way you can fix it so that if you log into one and then click the link of someone who's logged into the other you don't get taken to their page as though you hadn't logged in at all? Does that make sense?
e.g. Like this:
1. I log into the site via .co.uk
2. I go to the 4UM and log in again, at .co.uk
3. I see that Koli has a shameless solicitation for votes so I click his link
4. This brings up the page he wants me to see, BUT
5. He's obviously logged in at .com, so I cannot actually vote until I do one of two things
6. I can log in again from his page, which will take me away from his page and onto my default opening page so that I then have to trace my way back to his page OR
7. I can change the url on his page and substitute .com with .co.uk
All of which is rather a palaver, as you can imagine!
Thanks, Benj!
And have a lovely holiday, you and the future Mrs Benj
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 23:14:06
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
When you get a tiny moment ... you know how there are two logins here either to .co.uk or .com ... is there any way you can fix it so that if you log into one and then click the link of someone who's logged into the other you don't get taken to their page as though you hadn't logged in at all? Does that make sense?
e.g. Like this:
1. I log into the site via .co.uk
2. I go to the 4UM and log in again, at .co.uk
3. I see that Koli has a shameless solicitation for votes so I click his link
4. This brings up the page he wants me to see, BUT
5. He's obviously logged in at .com, so I cannot actually vote until I do one of two things
6. I can log in again from his page, which will take me away from his page and onto my default opening page so that I then have to trace my way back to his page OR
7. I can change the url on his page and substitute .com with .co.uk
All of which is rather a palaver, as you can imagine!
Thanks, Benj!
And have a lovely holiday, you and the future Mrs Benj
Nothing to add, really, just didn't want this message to slip off the radar without Benj's reply ... I know how busy he is!
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 23:36:29
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Problem is, it's useful for some people to be able to log on to different versions separately. I certainly did this with my three ranking usernames, and I think bife has for example done it with Miss Alice in the past.
However, I realise that this contradicts my point that people should be able to vote on links of any version just as easily.  |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 00:34:20
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Originally posted by Salopian
Problem is, it's useful for some people to be able to log on to different versions separately. I certainly did this with my three ranking usernames, and I think bife has for example done it with Miss Alice in the past.
However, I realise that this contradicts my point that people should be able to vote on links of any version just as easily.
Excuse me for being naive -- your THREE ranking usernames?!! It's never occurred to me to create alter-FWFR egos. Can you explain the advantage of that?  No, really, please spell it out for me, Sal, because I'd love to know.
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 01:18:30
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It's a tax dodge.
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 03:31:24
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It's so he can hit the people getting the 12 Days of Christmas votes 4 times.  |
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thefoxboy
"Four your eyes only."
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 05:08:53
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
quote:
Originally posted by Salopian
Problem is, it's useful for some people to be able to log on to different versions separately. I certainly did this with my three ranking usernames, and I think bife has for example done it with Miss Alice in the past.
However, I realise that this contradicts my point that people should be able to vote on links of any version just as easily.
Excuse me for being naive -- your THREE ranking usernames?!! It's never occurred to me to create alter-FWFR egos. Can you explain the advantage of that? No, really, please spell it out for me, Sal, because I'd love to know.
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6758
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6685
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6684
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=8202
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 08:59:56
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Originally posted by thefoxboy
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http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6758
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6685
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6684
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=8202
Thanks Foxboy, et al
Well, you all clearly know something which I [and I suspect others] don't! I still don't see the advantage of multiple usernames ... are you saying that if someone has alter-FWFR-egos that a vote for one tallies into one big vote-pot for all their usernames? That can't be logical/fair.
Unless you're saying that someone might be so paranoid that the MERP approval or FYC voters would deliberately act against them, so they hide behind another username? Or, thinking as I type, is it an insidious ploy to keep MERPs busy on someone's reviews to the detriment of time spent elsewhere so they have more chance of getting approvals? Which sounds a bit too dark and nasty for such a lovely group!  Or, thinking again for possibilities, is it so that someone can bung more than their allocated share of votes to their pals? What am I not getting here 
But none of this actually addresses the ability to vote for anyone whether they or the voter are logged into either .co.uk or .com
I suspect, but am not totally sure it's not a huge programming issue, since domain names can be piggy-backed and one domain can default to another.
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 09:22:22
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by thefoxboy
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http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6758
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6685
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=6684
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=8202
Thanks Foxboy, et al
Well, you all clearly know something which I [and I suspect others] don't! I still don't see the advantage of multiple usernames ... are you saying that if someone has alter-FWFR-egos that a vote for one tallies into one big vote-pot for all their usernames? That can't be logical/fair.
Unless you're saying that someone might be so paranoid that the MERP approval or FYC voters would deliberately act against them, so they hide behind another username? Or, thinking as I type, is it an insidious ploy to keep MERPs busy on someone's reviews to the detriment of time spent elsewhere so they have more chance of getting approvals? Which sounds a bit too dark and nasty for such a lovely group! Or, thinking again for possibilities, is it so that someone can bung more than their allocated share of votes to their pals? What am I not getting here
But none of this actually addresses the ability to vote for anyone whether they or the voter are logged into either .co.uk or .com
I'm suspect, but am not totally sure it's not a huge programming issue, since domain names can be piggy-backed and one domain can default to another.
I am fairly certain that Sal was referring to usernames he made up in order to list some running statistics he was keeping going, not for submission or voting purposes or other ulterior reasons. Though I too agree that I'm not sure why it's an advantage or a disadvantage. I just find having to change the urls to vote on some a pain, as I don't stay logged in on the other server. |
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 11:46:59
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| The simplest thing to do is right-click on the person's name in the left column (near their avatar) and choose open in a new window. If everything works as I think it should, the new page should be in the same fwfr url format as you logged in under. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/07/2007 : 12:12:21
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Originally posted by Conan The Westy
The simplest thing to do is right-click on the person's name in the left column (near their avatar) and choose open in a new window. If everything works as I think it should, the new page should be in the same fwfr url format as you logged in under.
Yeah, I thought that, but it doesn't. Not always, anyway. I think it has to do with which format was used by the votee. But, considering some of the stuff which Benj has been asked to do, this one seems comparitively minor with lotsa user benefit.
And, thanks, WHL, for agreeing 
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:50:18
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| B.B., hopefully you have understood thefoxboy's and wildhartlivie's explanations. (And thanks to foxy for the reminder that it was in fact four.) At times when I added new people to those lists, I needed to be logged on both as me (to write the stats) and the usernames above (to add them to those pages). I could have done one part, logged off, logged on and done the other, but that would have been very annoying. So instead I would be logged on as Salopian on e.g. .co.uk, another on .com, another on fourwordfilmreview.com, another on http://fwfr.com etc. A more general point is that there are some users who live in the same houses as others (bife/Miss Alice, Conan/Conan's Daughter etc), so it is better if they can both be logged on. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 10:04:26
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Originally posted by Salopian
B.B., hopefully you have understood thefoxboy's and wildhartlivie's explanations. (And thanks to foxy for the reminder that it was in fact four.) At times when I added new people to those lists, I needed to be logged on both as me (to write the stats) and the usernames above (to add them to those pages). I could have done one part, logged off, logged on and done the other, but that would have been very annoying. So instead I would be logged on as Salopian on e.g. .co.uk, another on .com, another on fourwordfilmreview.com, another on http://fwfr.com etc. A more general point is that there are some users who live in the same houses as others (bife/Miss Alice, Conan/Conan's Daughter etc), so it is better if they can both be logged on.
Hi Sal and thanks for that. And please don't take the following in any other than in a constructive spirit to make the site work better for everyone. I'm sure we all appreciate the work you put in to improve the site.
I'm not quite sure, though, that I do understand why it needs to be so complicated. And, I'm especially not quite sure that your ability to add stats to keep some lists going [as a non-administrator of the site - unless you know something we don't] is worth inconveniencing a number of people who find it annoying to keep changing log-ins just in order to vote on FYC. Though I've worked for many years with programmers, I'm definitely not one myself. But I feel pretty confident something not too complicated could be written to accommodate all our needs. Don't you think so?
I wish Benj could find a moment to visit this debate; it's really his perspective that's needed. And, of course, I shall accept whatever he says.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 10:23:16
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| I just gave my experience as an example. As I've already said, the more general case is for multiple users in the same home. Each other user only needs to log on to each version of the site once (assuming that they don't delete their cookies); this is massively less inconvenient than two users having to always be logging on and off. (A further point is that, in my experience, one cannot actually log off anyway - this may be as a result of clicking 'Remember me', I don't know. I just tested this out of interest, and, whatever the reason, clicking 'Logoff' indeed makes absolutely no difference.) |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 01/08/2007 10:48:36 |
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bife
"Winners never quit ... fwfr ... "
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 11:01:03
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Although Linda and Miss Alice don't use the site a great deal, it does help that all three of us can log in on the same computer by just switching URLs (thereby enabling us all to log in using saved bookmarks).
Although I know my login and password, neither Miss Alice nor Linda remeber theirs (being infrequent users) and if they couldn't log in from 'Favourites' they probably wouldn't log in at all.
During the recent 'server update' or whatever the technical term is for what benj did, both Miss Alice and Linda lost their automatic logins for a bit. Alice asked for her password to be reset, so is in again, Linda hasn't and probably never will now 
Not saying the way it is should be the way it stays, but I do find it handy myself, having three users at home, and I'm not alone in having multiple users at one address (Rocat/Queenofcats, Conan/Conan's Daughter, StaLean/kolo, bife/Miss Alice/Linda are the combinations that I know of).
And I know Salopian may be presumptuous in maintaining lists on multiple users without actually being an administrator - but I do like the lists and have them bookmarked. If I remember correctly early on he published the login IDs and passwords for those users, so we could all help to maintain the lists. I have long ago forgotten the logins, but pretty sure I had them once.
So not disagreeing with you BB - just giving another context.
One other comment though - I have never noticed the problem you mention arising from the regular URLs (.com, .co.uk etc). For example, if I am logged in at home on ".com" and someone puts in a link to their URL on ".co.uk", it still takes me to their page with me logged in as me, not as Miss Alice, and I can still vote as normal.
The only time I ever encounter the issue is if I am voting on someone who hasn't put 'www' into their URL. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 11:07:25
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Thanks for all those other examples, bife. I did not think of them. I am sure than Conan is also sometimes at Markandlain's house etc.
Yes, anyone can amend the lists in question. The log-in details are in a thread somewhere. However, I have pared down the ones covered by benj's new rankings to just the top users. I only have not deleted the Totals one altogether because I was quite pleased with the review I submitted so that it wasn't on nought!
I'm surprised, though, that clicking on a contradictory link you stay as you, and that there is a difference in this for http://fwfr.com. I wonder how that works.  |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 01/08/2007 11:08:16 |
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