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boydegg 
"Creator of Grammarman comic."
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 Posted - 02/15/2007 : 21:17:33
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Hi all,
If you were a MERP would you yay or nay this (for Pirates of the Carribean, at World's End):
Two birds, rolling stone.
Here's my brief defence of it ... it's a play/combo on two well-known sayings (killing two birds with one stone, a rolling stone gathers no moss). The 'two birds' bit refers to two main characters in the film ... Elizabeth SWAN and Jack SPARROW. And the Rolling Stone bit? Well it's no big secret now who's playing Jack Sparrow's dear ole dad!!
So tell me ... thumbs up? or thumbs down? and if it's a nay ... why?
cheers!
Boydegg
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 21:28:37
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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 22:02:42
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It is a little tenuous in terms of the "killing two birds with one stone" proverb because the action of the proverb is missing from the review. At face value it didn't suggest itself - also, like Downtown, I didn't think straight away of the two birds as Elizabeth and Jack. Being a Brit I assumed you were referring to two girls. 
I think you can only give it a go and see what the Merps make of it. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 22:14:38
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 00:31:25
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Originally posted by Tori
I thought Keith Richards backed out?
He was set to appear in PotC 2 but backed out because the Stones were touring. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 04:03:56
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Originally posted by Tori
I thought Keith Richards backed out?
I've read several news items that say he is not only in for the finale, but the first inkling of photos of Richards and Depp together are starting to crop up on the net, only to be removed at the studio's request. But I did find this.
When I read the review, I thought of the 2 birds being the 2 Sparrows. |
Edited by - w22dheartlivie on 02/16/2007 04:05:24 |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 07:52:31
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When I read the review, I thought of the 2 birds being the 2 Sparrows.
Ditto.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 09:09:42
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| Seeing as they have only got the names of birds, I'd personally put 'birds' in inverted commas. That would also help make it less 'generic'. Mick Jagger has been in loads of things: I expect that some of them include two prominent women. Also, Richards is a Rolling Stone, not a rolling stone, so you'd have to be sure to capitalise it. This would also make it less likely to be 'generic' in other regards. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 12:35:46
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I'd agree with Sal if it didn't make it look like he was saying "two women", which I'm afraid writing Two 'birds' does look like to me.
Tough one, and I hope it goes through as it is.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 15:06:07
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
I'd agree with Sal if it didn't make it look like he was saying "two women", which I'm afraid writing Two 'birds' does look like to me.
I actually thought the reverse would be the case, though I can appreciate a non-British perspective would be different. Women (in British slang - of course not literally) are birds. The characters here are not birds in any sense of the word. They just have the names of birds. (cf. My surname does not mean that I am in any sense a craftsman.) I therefore think that the sense in the review is more loose than even the slang sense, and therefore the former warrants inverted commas more strongly than the latter. |
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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Posted - 02/17/2007 : 02:23:08
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quote:
Originally posted by boydegg
Hi all,
If you were a MERP would you yay or nay this (for Pirates of the Carribean, at World's End):
Two birds, rolling stone.
Here's my brief defence of it ... it's a play/combo on two well-known sayings (killing two birds with one stone, a rolling stone gathers no moss). The 'two birds' bit refers to two main characters in the film ... Elizabeth SWAN and Jack SPARROW. And the Rolling Stone bit? Well it's no big secret now who's playing Jack Sparrow's dear ole dad!!
So tell me ... thumbs up? or thumbs down? and if it's a nay ... why?
cheers!
Boydegg
Thumbs Down. It's too much of a stretch.
I got the Rolling Stone reference. Wasn't sure about two Birds (I remembered Sparrow but couldn't remember Swan.)
But the main problem is when I read the review I never thought of "Kill two Birds with one stone."
How about "Two birds. One 'Stone.'"? |
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boydegg
"Creator of Grammarman comic."
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Posted - 02/17/2007 : 14:01:05
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Good idea Yukkon - I'll tweak it in favour of your suggestion. Thanks everyone else for your ideas too.
Just to let you know - it's already been given the MERP's poo-poo once and is now on 'death row' awaiting appeal.
Boydegg
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Shiv 
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 02/18/2007 : 05:52:14
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
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Originally posted by Tori
I thought Keith Richards backed out?
I've read several news items that say he is not only in for the finale, but the first inkling of photos of Richards and Depp together are starting to crop up on the net, only to be removed at the studio's request. But I did find this.
When I read the review, I thought of the 2 birds being the 2 Sparrows.
I can't help thinking this is a publicity stunt, since so many reviewers commented on Depp's 'Keith Richard's impression' in the role of Sparrow . If it's true, I can't wait to see if old Keith can live up to 'himself' on screen. If I remember the story correctly Sparrow's father is dead - so not much make-up required for Keithy then |
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boydegg
"Creator of Grammarman comic."
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Posted - 02/18/2007 : 21:41:22
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I thought it was Will Turner's father who was dead? I didn't hear any mention of Jack's father? But you're right - alive or dead, Keith wouldn't need much in the way of make up.
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Shiv
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 02/18/2007 : 22:16:48
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Originally posted by boydegg
I thought it was Will Turner's father who was dead? I didn't hear any mention of Jack's father?
I think you're right. Going to be an interesting storyline either way! |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 06:26:02
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Originally posted by Shiv
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Originally posted by boydegg
I thought it was Will Turner's father who was dead? I didn't hear any mention of Jack's father?
I think you're right. Going to be an interesting storyline either way!
Will's Father is Bootstrap Bill who was put into a chest and sent down to "Davy Jones' Locker" before the first film. But because of the curse on the gold, he was stuck there un-dead. He came back in the 2nd film as one of Davy Jones' crew and lost his eternal soul to Jones in a game of Perudo - so until someone gets rid of Davy Jones forever, Bootstrap will continue to "live" (you call that living?) with Davy Jones as one of those fishy sailors.
Captain Jack Sparrow's father's health wasn't talked about one way or another in either of the first two films, that I can recall. |
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