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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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 Posted - 05/23/2007 : 05:44:02
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The cafe scene: Unintentionally hilarious
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I don't know why people keep saying this. Raimi's always been a goofy guy, and that scene, and the sidewalk-strutting scene before it, are pretty clearly intentionally hilarious. I love those scenes.
The bomb thing? Not quite unexplainable. Perhaps Harry heals faster because of his magical Goblin serum, whereas Eddie, being just a normal human being separate from his symbiote, does not. Perhaps Venom, after being sufficiently weakened by the earlier attacks, is dramatically weaker and more susceptible to exploding Goblin bombs.
And while I'm defending this film, let me get to this criticism way back on Page 2, which I missed the first time:
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the actors very rarely have their masks on, for example
Ali meant that as a criticism of how the studio's influence went so far as to extend even to the makeup. That's not true at all, not in the slightest. There's an inherent drawback to making any live-action Spider-Man movie, and it's this: You can't act behind a mask. This is why the characters all have their masks off a lot of the time. Quite honestly, I thought it was handled much more gracefully than in the second movie, where he's just tearing off his mask all the time in full view of everyone. |
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benj clews 
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 11:29:09
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
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The cafe scene: Unintentionally hilarious
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I don't know why people keep saying this. Raimi's always been a goofy guy, and that scene, and the sidewalk-strutting scene before it, are pretty clearly intentionally hilarious. I love those scenes.
For my money, intentionally hilarious is fine but it has to be appropriate to the film. That scene just did not fit to the extent
that it pulled me out of the film- suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far.
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the actors very rarely have their masks on, for example
Ali meant that as a criticism of how the studio's influence went so far as to extend even to the makeup. That's not true at all, not in the slightest. There's an inherent drawback to making any live-action Spider-Man movie, and it's this: You can't act behind a mask. This is why the characters all have their masks off a lot of the time. Quite honestly, I thought it was handled much more gracefully than in the second movie, where he's just tearing off his mask all the time in full view of everyone.
There's this medium you may have heard of called radio...  Seriously, actors of this calibre should be able to emote through a mask. (Not that I personally had a problem with mask removal- I guess on some level it made the character a bit more relate-to-able) |
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Ali 
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 11:42:24
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I don't know why people keep saying this. Raimi's always been a goofy guy, and that scene, and the sidewalk-strutting scene before it, are pretty clearly intentionally hilarious.
Yes, but he's done cheesy and goofy before and it worked wonders. The scene in the second film where Peter is strolls through Manhattan to "Raindrops Are Falling On My Head" was great. The jazz club scene was not.
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Sean
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 12:39:12
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As a non-liker of S3 I didn't actually mind the cafe scene, it didn't bother me. The implausibility of other characters was what annoyed me (I won't repeat it as I mentioned it earlier).
Different things bother people in different ways I suppose... or not at all. 
BTW, I just watched POTC:DMC, and was bored. Perhaps I'm becoming harder to please, and action without plot just ain't enough any more. I'd guess it may have something to do with the fact that for the last 6 months or so I've been working my way through the IMDb Top 250 movies... watching the whole lot (done 210 so far), so am being spoiled by the best movies ever.  S3 and POTC2 just looks like chaff by comparison.  |
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 14:25:00
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| Tonally inconsistent and inappropriate I can buy. I don't agree but I think it's at least a valid criticism. I don't see how this applies to the club scene but not to the "Raindrops" scene from Spider-Man 2 though. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 14:41:06
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In Spider-Man 2, Peter is free of the the Sword of Domocles dangling over his head that is being Spider-Man, and the "Raindrops" scene is a lighthearted way to accentuate his mood.
In Spider-Man 3, the black suit turns Peter nasty and "twisted," and the club scene is a terrible way to accentuate that particular mood. The Saturday Night Feveresque stroll earlier in the film mirrors the Raindrops scene from the previous sequel - so why go the extra mile and turn what is essentially a dark moment into pure slapstick? It's miscalculated and discordant.
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 09:36:37
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Originally posted by Ali
Very interesting article.
Thanks for that, Ali. I think we can see between the lines here the shall we say less than enthusiastic backing of the film by Raimi on his subsequent BBC radio interview. He virtually admitted he wouldn't be seeking to direct #4 and gave more than strong hints that he had a pretty rotten time on the film. Contractually, of course, he's obliged to do a certain percentage of pre-opening publicity, and he's further constrained about how far he can go so as not to damage box office potential. Not that there was ever a chance this was going to lose money. I think what Ali's cited article says louder than anything is that in today's cine-world, producers have far more say than directors. And, yes, there was a time when producers were concerned with everything except artistic decisions, and directors carried the can for everything creative from script to post-synch.
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