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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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 Posted - 06/19/2007 : 14:56:58
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Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
It doesn't bother me at all that Badbart created an accolade with a theme very similar to mine (my accolade pre-dates his first FWFR, there's no doubt mine was first). But there's a very good reason why his has more films in it: mine only includes films that show actual visions of life after some kind of global calamity, while his includes any kind of film that's in any way related to "the end of the world." For example, I have Terminator and Terminator 2 because both films includes vivid images of life after "Judgement Day," with Kyle's descriptions in Terminator and Sarah's nightmares in T2. But I didn't include T3, because that film merely ends with the bombs dropping...it doesn't concern itself with what comes after that (although it looks like T4 is going to make it's way into my accolade). Badbart did include T3, so you can see the difference.
He also included Titan AE, which technically is after "the end of the world" but I certainly wouldn't include it in my accolade, as the "end of the world" in that film is really only a plot device, and not the point of the story, which is their journey. And he also included earlier films from Romero's "Dead" series, when only Land of the Dead makes it clear that humans have indeed lost virtually the entire planet to the legions of the undead.
So he can keep his accolade or not, it's all the same to me. But I really don't want many of those films in my accolade, so I don't consider it redundant.
And by the way, Mad Max is not "post-apocalyptic." I can't say that enough...I really can't, because even some of the official promotional materials (DVD jackets, etc) incorrectly state that it is, so it doesn't look very likely that I'll ever be able to set the record straight. But there's no global calamity of any kind in that film, it's just a near future where there's more crime and the police are overwhelmed...that's it. It's much closer to Freejack or Escape From New York than its sequels. |
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bife 
"Winners never quit ... fwfr ... "
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:02:01
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Another accolade I enjoyed, I think because it was the first it introduced me to the 'idea' of reviewing films I hadn't seen, as well as to a era of cinema I didn't even know existed, was noncentz's James C. Duncan Innovator Award
It only has three films, which meant it didn't feel too daunting to me having previously never reviewed a film I hadn't seen, and the films are fun to review. I think that at the time we didn't review as many 'obscure' films as we do now, so perhaps the novelty isn't there anymore, but I still think it's a nice accolade.
Of the accolades I have written myself, FWFR Oscars is one I think adds value - how cool is it that even at an 'extras' level, at least 7 of our reviewers have been in movies.
I also enjoy my 'bife's travels' series, firstly because it serves as a reminder to me of all the good and not-so-good that I have seen travelling back and forth over the past couple of years, but also because I love the 7 airplanes in my trophy cabinet all sitting next to each other, beating their wings slightly out of time. (I know there are nine accoaldes in the series, but I have only won seven of them  ) |
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bife
"Winners never quit ... fwfr ... "
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:05:06
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BB: if your interested, here's a recap of Joss's Keen Eye accoalde, at least as well as I can remember it now:
Joss created a one film accolade, a film no one had reviewed. First person to win the accolade (by getting a review posted for the film) would be the winner of round one, and could PM Joss with a new film to add to the accolade. The new film had to be one the winner had already reveiewed, and so it wasn't possible for someone to win two rounds in a row (you had to lose the accolade to be able to win it again).
The accolade was to have 30 rounds, and whoever won the most rounds would have the accolade named after them, which is why it is now called "Thefoxboy's Got a Keen Eye Award".
This was back in the days before MERPs, only benj approved reviews. Reviews tended to be approved chronologically, so posting a review first usually got it approved first. Turnaround time on approvals was usually 2 to 3 days. So the 'skill' of the early rounds of the accolade was to be checking fwfr often enough to see before anybody else that a new film had been added to the accolade, to get a review in before anybody else and to make sure the review was approvable first time.
First 20 rounds were simple enough, I would win a round, nominate a film, foxy would get the next one and nominate, AC would win the next round etc. I seem to remember that foxy, myself, Will Sloan and AC were the active players, but foxy and I pulled away from the pack.
Once foxy and I were ahead by a couple of films it became hard to see how AC or WS could ever get the accolade back. Foxy and I were neck and neck, but he was ahead of me 'on goal difference' - with the score at (say) 6 each, he would get the 7th point, pick a film, I would draw level, he would move ahead again and so on. He was very smug, he could see that no matter what I did I would never be able to overtake him.
That was when I pulled the first 'sneaky stunt', which in retrospect we couldn't understand why no one had thought of before. When I next one the accolade, instead of picking a film I had reviewed but he hadn't, which had been the norm up to that point, I picked a film both he and I had reviewed. Since we both maintained the accolade, neither of us could win the next round, and we had to wait for AC to catch up before we could play the next round. This was to become a standard tactic for the last couple of rounds
Foxy was rightly incensed. We were both putting pressure on benj to approve our reviews ahead of the others, but to no avail, he played fair. As did AC when we pushed him to pick films advantageous to us. However, I hadn't banked on Will Sloan ever recapturing the accolade, foxy did and already had him primed, he picked up the accolade, sided with foxy and foxy moved back into the driving seat.
With three rounds left to play I still couldn't win, I was behind by one point, foxy had picked the next film and both he and I already had it, Will Sloan would pick up the next win and with one to go I would be out. I was gutted. But then I had the brainwave of deleting one of my reviews, thereby losing the accolade, thereby enabling me to re-win it again by posting a new review for it. I won the round, we drew level, I thought it was a masterstroke, foxy was devestated.
By the time we got to the last round, it was a straight out fight for the last review. Can't really remember why anymore, but Joss initially declared me the winner for having my final review posted before foxy, but it turned out to be premature as foxy's had already been approved minutes before mine, he took the title by a point.
The game kept us frantically checking fwfr for reviews on an almost hourly basis for the best part of 2 to 3 months, trying to find details for films with no imdb content before anybody else could, trying to second guess each others' next moves, and trying to figure out and influence who would be siding with whom each week. We did eventually give up trying to bribe benj.
It was a lot of fun, and as accolades go I can't think of one that brings back better memories. It has an interesting selection of films too - see if you can figure out who added which films 
Anyways, I may have mixed up any number of the details, this must have been two years ago now and the old grey cells don't hold on to information as long as they used to. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:30:31
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Originally posted by bife
Of the accolades I have written myself, FWFR Oscars is one I think adds value - how cool is it that even at an 'extras' level, at least 7 of our reviewers have been in movies.
Agreed. This is the most important single accolade, as far as I'm concerned. And it has a really nice trophy, even if it is gold.
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I love the 7 airplanes in my trophy cabinet all sitting next to each other, beating their wings slightly out of time.
Me too - not in your cabinet or mine, but Randall's or A.C.'s or someone's. |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 23:51:46
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Originally posted by Downtown
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
Fair points. You've obviously studied those accolades much closer than I have. They're lists of good films at any rate, I went through them about six months ago and watched all the ones I could find that I thought I'd like. |
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 23:54:07
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Originally posted by bife
I thought it was a masterstroke, foxy was devestated.
Damn right I was, mostly devastated that I haven't thought of it myself.
After that my only option was to send a PM to Will Sloan, not a regular on the fourum, explaining what bife was up to and finding a movie for Will to add that would help me out. Will come to the party. 
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Originally posted by bife
By the time we got to the last round, it was a straight out fight for the last review. Can't really remember why anymore, but Joss initially declared me the winner for having my final review posted before foxy, but it turned out to be premature as foxy's had already been approved minutes before mine, he took the title by a point.
Yep, my review was there before yours, but both were approved in my sleeping hours, so you got to PM Joss letting him know that you got the trophy. Joss had already renamed the accolade to "bife's Got a Keen Eye Award". After a recheck of review ID numbers, Joss handed the trophy back to me. 
An update on Joss.
Some of you may have noticed that he has had a few reviews approved in recent times. He tells me that he will get back to the fourum in the near future, I for one look forward to that as he was a great part of FWFR. Avatar competitors beware, he's great at finding winning avatars.
BaftaBabe, put that 'wrong side of the bed' up against the wall.
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 06/20/2007 : 13:52:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Downtown
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
perhaps one could be made redundant?
It's The End Of The World As We Know It
Apocalypse Now or Later
Never.
Fair points. You've obviously studied those accolades much closer than I have. They're lists of good films at any rate, I went through them about six months ago and watched all the ones I could find that I thought I'd like.
I'm glad you found my accolade both entertaining and useful. I have plenty other "genre" accolades. Enjoy. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 06/20/2007 : 17:55:24
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damn ... bloody keyb. just packed up again ... am tapping out using on-screen keyb, so please excuse!
just wanted 2 say ... after initial rant, i didn't storm off, but suffered puter crash, so only revisited this thread a few minutes ago. i certainly was grumpy! mayB puter crash was retribution
anyway will be back soon, i hope ... & in better spirits!
cheers!
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