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duh 
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 Posted - 07/29/2007 : 03:51:11
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Originally posted by Se�n
Woody Allen is a selfish narcissistic asshole because of the anguish he caused Mia Farrow.
BB, you worked with the guy. What do you think? (I think that sleeping with one's daughter, whether adopted or biological, is pretty damn sick. There is, however, no denying Allen's genius.)
If I limited myself to enjoying artistic works that were produced only by people of excellent character, or by people whom I agree with philosophically and politically, I wouldn't have much to feel thrilled and inspired by.
In my choice of friends, I am more discerning.
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 08:31:43
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Originally posted by duh
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Originally posted by Se�n
Woody Allen is a selfish narcissistic asshole because of the anguish he caused Mia Farrow.
BB, you worked with the guy. What do you think?
Well, as I think I've mentioned before somewhere - it was in 1974, so long before his dubious behaviour.
He was one of the most intelligent people I've ever met, though wasn't always ruled by his head. He had a wholly ambivalent attitude towards people which - as I assess it now, but don't know whether I was quite so aware of it then - reflected his deep insecurities. It involved inter-acting with the actors as little as possible, except for Diane and myself. Of course he felt comfortable with D. and I had made him laugh when he'd met me at the casting in London, and I reminded him we'd met years before in NYC. We shot in France - Paris and Versailles [I wasn't in the Hungary scenes] - and though he speaks French, he just wouldn't. He had a good relationship with the crew, but left it to the Asst. Dir. to communicate with the actors, even those who spoke English.
During lighting set-ups he usually went off by himself to play the clarinet, which I'm sure calmed him. I think he was very nervous because the film was transitional for him - his first with a more filmic story, and imho, his first which shows a real understanding of the art and not just the craft film-making. By which I mean, he was beginning to see why putting the camera here as opposed to there elevated the scene - how every element contributes to telling the story.
Film-making for directors is extremely tiring and takes massive concentration. Woody had the good sense to surround himself with some brilliant crew, and he took comfort in his mini-entourage of really close friends, including Diane. They'd been separated for a while - she was involved with a painter, he wasn't seeing anyone. So the atmosphere was highly professional. I was never much of a 'lovey' so spent a lot of time with some of the crew, notably Woody's assistant, and in that way on films - you bond with people you'll probably never see again. No one I spoke with ever had complaints about Woody, though some noted some little quirks.
Diane told me that the apartment he lived in overlooking Central Park had a wrap-around terrace which he'd never been on because he was too scared. He was certainly a hypochondriac. At that time - and for years afterward - he hated leaving NYC, and had brought much of his own food with him. And speaking of food - and largely due to custom and practice in the French film industry - we had proper lunches. The first and only time I've been on a film where there was no catering wagon, but canopied catering tents with waitress service. Full meals with adequate time to eat, so you didn't mind working later.
OK flash forward and I'm reading all this stuff about him and Mia and the kids. I dunno - all I can say is that's probably not what I'd have done in the circumstances. I did know a guy who'd been married to a woman for years and helped raise her daughter by a previous marriage. The woman died and a couple of years later the guy married the daughter and they had a long and loving relationship.
What I do know is that I wasn't there and I don't know what really went on.
I hate the politics of John Ford, but I cannot deny he's one of the great directors of all time.
I don't believe anyone is all good or all bad. I think working in the creative arts both attracts complicated people and encourages their complexities. I think people whose vision about their work is as all-consuming as a parent's for a child - I think those people are equally admirable and pitiable. And I think I'm one of those people.
I adore the paintings of Van Gogh but I don't think I'd have invited him to supper.
I hope this helps.
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damalc 
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 16:53:34
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Originally posted by GHcool
One thing that dissapointed me about The Passion was that the content of the film was completely devoid of any of the wisdom, tolerance, and humanity Jesus is so famous for.
my sentiments since the day i saw it. the events in the movie take up only a few pages in the bible. it was a snuff film. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 22:41:21
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Originally posted by damalc
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Originally posted by GHcool
One thing that dissapointed me about The Passion was that the content of the film was completely devoid of any of the wisdom, tolerance, and humanity Jesus is so famous for.
my sentiments since the day i saw it. the events in the movie take up only a few pages in the bible. it was a snuff film.
I don't want to get all Mr. Salopian on you here, but I must admit that I haven't seen it, yet I'm sure I wouldn't like it if I did. Normally I disdain that kind of faux-precognition as willful ignorance; this is the sole and single exception for me. Based on everything I know, it's a snuff film. Pass. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 23:51:56
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Originally posted by damalc
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Originally posted by GHcool
One thing that dissapointed me about The Passion was that the content of the film was completely devoid of any of the wisdom, tolerance, and humanity Jesus is so famous for.
my sentiments since the day i saw it. the events in the movie take up only a few pages in the bible. it was a snuff film.
It was supposed to depict the last day(s) in his life, wasn't it? I.e., not his sermons.
It was pretty violent, but certainly not among the most violent movies I've seen. I don't think it comes under the category of snuff film; if it does then there are thousands of snuff films in existence. It's not the first movie to show torture and death.
My main complaint with the film was that it was boring. The use of ultra-slow-mo was excessive. Apart from that it was OK. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 00:01:15
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Originally posted by duh
There is, however, no denying (Woody) Allen's genius.
I deny it. The highest score I've given any of his films is 6/10, i.e, only just scrapes through with a pass. Every movie of his I've seen I've forgotten about half way through the credits, (I've seen all of what are supposedly his 'best' movies).
I'm aware I'm the odd one out here, people rave about Woody's brilliance but I simply don't get it. I've never been interested in anything that any of his characters have said in any of his movies, ever. I've got other things to do (I mean better movies to watch ) than listen to the philosophising of a pretentious narcissist.
He's not funny either. Just boring.  |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 06:05:47
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by damalc
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Originally posted by GHcool
One thing that dissapointed me about The Passion was that the content of the film was completely devoid of any of the wisdom, tolerance, and humanity Jesus is so famous for.
my sentiments since the day i saw it. the events in the movie take up only a few pages in the bible. it was a snuff film.
It was supposed to depict the last day(s) in his life, wasn't it? I.e., not his sermons.
It was pretty violent, but certainly not among the most violent movies I've seen. I don't think it comes under the category of snuff film; if it does then there are thousands of snuff films in existence. It's not the first movie to show torture and death.
I agree with Sean. It wasn't the most violent film I've ever seen and it wasn't a snuff film because the "violence" was a dramatization using makeup, actors, special effects, etc. A snuff film, as I understand the term, is composed of documentary footage of an actual violent death. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 16:22:14
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Jew-haters aren't born as Jew-haters. They learn their hate from others. They learn it by hearing conspiracy theories spouted by people like Gibson. Sure, Ghandi isn't going to become a Nazi after listening to Gibson, but there are numerous people who need to be told what to think who are easily swayed by such comments. E.g., someone reads a David Icke conspiracy theory, doesn't know whether to believe it or not, then next week a super-rich Hollywood movie director confirms the conspiracy. Do you really think that it isn't going to sway him and perhaps help confirm his suspicions?
If that guy is so easily persuaded, it was going to happen anyway, especially with the flood of anti-racist messages that permeate this whole culture.
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The rantings of Gibson last year aren't terribly different from the rantings of a soldier named Adolf Hitler in 1918. In 1918 it didn't look like anyone needed to take Hitler seriously either.
Are you seriously arguing this? I suppose Godwin's Law is particularly unavoidable in this argument, but you have to work a lot harder if you're going to equate Hitler and Mel Gibson. Hitler was dangerous for a lot more reasons than shit he said during the Great War. Call me when Gibson starts capitalizing on a flood of anti-Semitic sentiment from a disenfranchised populace.
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Sure, Gibson disavowed his comments. His career was over if he hadn't. Hollywood isn't going to do a deal with a neo-Nazi, but they will deal with a drunken buffoon. But, if a friend of mine gets drunk one day and calls me a f***ing c**t and that I'm the cause of all his problems, then apologises the next day, there's no way would I trust him again. I'd simply assume that he doesn't like me. Mud sticks.
Damn, dude, harsh. I thought that guy was your friend. If you're not going to forgive a friend, who are you going to forgive?
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You should try stepping into a Jewish person's shoes for a day (perhaps a visit to Dachau) then tell Jews that anti-Semites are just "assholes".
I didn't call anti-Semites "just assholes," I called Mel Gibson just an asshole. Mel Gibson's actual Jewish friends (yes, some of his best friends are Jewish) came out to defend him right after the whole thing, so if they say he's all right, I'll take their word for it, huh?
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Or to put it another way; if Jews don't have to worry about anti-Semites like Gibson, then precisely which anti-Semites do they need to worry about?
The ones who kill Jews, perhaps? The ones who are genuinely trying to influence other people? Call me crazy, but I don't think we're going to have another Holocaust in this part of the world for a while. I'm going to say it again: Gibson's one drunken statement's effect on anti-Semitic sentiment in the world is neglible to nil. Michael Richards and Don Imus aren't going to cause any lynchings. Find me a Jew whose in danger of being oppressed by Mel Gibson. Find me an Auschwitz that resulted from Mel Gibson. Not all racism is created equal, not all racists are equally dangerous. I heard a story once about an idiot redneck who tried to burn a cross on a black family's lawn, but only managed to hammer his thumb, set his shoes on fire, and accidentally knock the cross over onto his car, until the very family whose property he was trying to deface called an ambulance for him. That guy was demonstrably more hateful than Gibson; that guy is not much of a threat. I am not worried about Gibson. At all. And I like his movies, so I'm going to keep watching them. |
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damalc
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 07/30/2007 : 16:27:44
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Originally posted by GHcool
... it wasn't a snuff film because the "violence" was a dramatization using makeup, actors, special effects, etc. A snuff film, as I understand the term, is composed of documentary footage of an actual violent death.
alright, true. not a snuff film per se. how 'bout "historical snuff drama?" "biblical torture porn?" |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:01:37
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
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Originally posted by Sean
The rantings of Gibson last year aren't terribly different from the rantings of a soldier named Adolf Hitler in 1918. In 1918 it didn't look like anyone needed to take Hitler seriously either.
...but you have to work a lot harder if you're going to equate Hitler and Mel Gibson. Hitler was dangerous for a lot more reasons than shit he said during the Great War.
I'm not equating Hitler with Gibson, but I'm equating their anti-Semitic sentiment. And yep, everyone now knows (now that it's too late) how dangerous Hitler was, but that was not clear in 1918.quote:
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Sure, Gibson disavowed his comments. His career was over if he hadn't. Hollywood isn't going to do a deal with a neo-Nazi, but they will deal with a drunken buffoon. But, if a friend of mine gets drunk one day and calls me a f***ing c**t and that I'm the cause of all his problems, then apologises the next day, there's no way would I trust him again. I'd simply assume that he doesn't like me. Mud sticks.
Damn, dude, harsh. I thought that guy was your friend. If you're not going to forgive a friend, who are you going to forgive?
I'd take it as a "revelation of true colours", that people don't say things like that if on some level they don't mean them. I'd assume that the friendship was false or shallow and that the guy didn't like me, hence he's not my friend. So he can bugger off. quote:
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You should try stepping into a Jewish person's shoes for a day (perhaps a visit to Dachau) then tell Jews that anti-Semites are just "assholes".
I didn't call anti-Semites "just assholes," I called Mel Gibson just an asshole. Mel Gibson's actual Jewish friends (yes, some of his best friends are Jewish) came out to defend him right after the whole thing, so if they say he's all right, I'll take their word for it, huh?
I wasn't aware of that, but if so it's a fair point, to some extent. It's also relevant that many of the members of the Jewish tribe who've posted in this thread do not think he's all right, so perhaps I'll take their word for it.
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Or to put it another way; if Jews don't have to worry about anti-Semites like Gibson, then precisely which anti-Semites do they need to worry about?
The ones who kill Jews, perhaps?
Well I'm glad that the FBI and MI5 don't think of threats in that way. UK police prevented the murder of hundreds of people recently precisely because they were looking for potential threats and stopping murder before it actually happened. I'd guess this included watching everyone and anyone who was preaching hate. How can anyone quantify the effect that the mullahs preaching hate had on those who were going to carry out the atrocity?quote:
Call me crazy, but I don't think we're going to have another Holocaust in this part of the world for a while.
Well I certainly hope you're right. Unfortunately genocide has been a regular occurrence on our planet, and there have been numerous examples of it post WW2. I didn't see the Rwandan or Balkans genocides coming either.quote:
I'm going to say it again: Gibson's one drunken statement's effect on anti-Semitic sentiment in the world is neglible to nil.
I'm not sure how you can be so sure.quote:
Find me a Jew whose in danger of being oppressed by Mel Gibson.
I recall meeing an Israeli girl once who said that the only country she could ever be happy living in is Israel, simply because that's the only place in the world where she could walk down the street knowing that she isn't going to pass people who hate her because of her race. I wouldn't expect her to want to pass Gibson in the street.quote:
Find me an Auschwitz that resulted from Mel Gibson.
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Not all racism is created equal, not all racists are equally dangerous.
True, but I've never been on the receiving end of racism so I don't know what it's like to be hated for something that was determined before my birth. But, I do hate racist bigots equally although some are clearly more dangerous (and the more dangerous ones are sometimes only obvious with hindsight).quote:
I am not worried about Gibson.
Me neither, but I'm not on the receiving end of his bigotry.quote:
And I like his movies, so I'm going to keep watching them.
That's your choice. I'm not giving him my money. I'll confess that I don't have a problem ignoring his movies as they range from crap to ordinary.
If Gibson was a teacher, police officer, politician etc then his 'career' would be over. But he's worth too much money for that to apply to the movie industry. In fact OJ Simpson is the only one of those "arseholes" mentioned whose career ended when they exposed their true colours. Child-rapist Polanski still makes movies along with anti-Semite Gibson. Even child-pornographer sex-offender-register-inhabitant Jeffrey Jones still has a TV career. Clearly the only consideration in Hollywood is the bottom line. My guess is OJ would be a movie star if someone thought there was money in it. |
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Tori 
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:04:21
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2. Meet Joe Black. Also infuriatingly bad. Death as a human being is apparently a drooling retard whose grand entrance into the world of sensation is apparently satisfied by eating peanut butter. Ice princess Claire Forlani has sex with him for no reason. It's fucking three hours long. Brad Pitt humiliates the evil bad guy despite the fact that Pitt seems to demonstrate no knowledge of any useful fact about Earth. No one could possibly fucking defend this movie.
3. Gladiator. Better than The Last Samurai but still profoundly overrated. William Wallace goes out screaming "FREEDOM!" in Braveheart. What would Maximus go out screaming? Probably something like "Leave me the hell alone" or "This is for my wife, fuck you and die." He's not fighting for anything noble. It's a pretentious Seagal movie, is all, and I wish people wouldn't hold up this dumb revenge movie as some kind of serious art.
4. Scent of a Woman. I'd like this movie a lot more if I thought the dumb kid was being honorable by not naming names, but is he really? His decision not to turn in the kids is one based on moral principle, but a vague one that really merits closer examination. It's wrong, apparently, but why? Add to that the fact that it's too damn long and Pacino's acting is awful and indulgent.
8. Sleepless in Seattle. Hanks and Ryan never meet. How are we supposed to decide they're meant for each other. Hanks mentions his lovely late wife used to be able to peel a whole apple in one strip. Ryan does the same. ARRRRGH THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS THIS MOVIE IS STUPID.
I liked Scent (for the most part) and Meet Joe Black and have nothing to say in my defense. You are absolutely wrong about Gladiator and regarding Sleepless in Seattle, we don't know if they are meant to be but we certainly think it's likely. They don't make out and get married the second they meet. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:07:24
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Just like it was sucked out of me when I watched The Piano
That movie SUCKED. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:11:38
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Ahem....THis shouldnt be a you and me arguement. Just because you hate something and the other person loves it doesnt make it over rated. IT cant be over rated or under rated unless there is lots more people rating it. IF 3/4 of the Earths population love Spider-Man 3 and 1/4 hated it. Then one can actually say that the 1/4 believe that the movie is over rated because they actually hated the film. But if it's an arguement of you and me. How can one say its over rated. You need a bigger rating to have it over rated. ITs someones opinion...not a rating.
anyways. here is my list of POPULAR movies that I hate
BrokeBack Mountain
The Shining
The Truth about Cats and Dogs
The Piano
Interview with a Vampire
DareDevil
Best Little Whore House in Texas
Exorcist
Frago
Matrix
Sense and Sensability
I liked Brokeback but my moral standpoint regarding affairs made me force myself to try and dislike it.
I think I am the only person on the planet who sort of liked The Truth About Cats and Dogs, I wouldn't consider it popular by any stretch of the imagination. As time passes the more and more I dislike it, actually.
I agree about The Piano.
Can't remember much about Interview but I think it was so/so.
I LOVED Daredevil.
I hated the Exorcist.
I dislike the Matrix the more that I watch it.
Didn't get more than a few minutes into Frago ( assume you meant Fargo?) but that was because my husband didn't like it.
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:12:00
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My personal shitty movie list includes the following:
Titanic
Pearl Harbor
More when I think of them.
Loved these two. :) |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 07/31/2007 : 02:12:45
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
2. Meet Joe Black. Ice princess Claire Forlani has sex with him for no reason.
I expect the fact that he looks like Brad Pitt may have something to do with it.
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