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Ali 
"Those aren't pillows."
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 Posted - 12/12/2007 : 12:53:50
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Sean - I am not the intended audience for a lot of films I like. I doubt that they were thinking of short, hairy, frustrated (yet incredibly good-looking) Turkish men when they were developing Enchanted.
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MguyXXV 
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 15:29:45
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Originally posted by Salopian
but common sense made it quite obvious to me that I should read the book first in this case.
Which implies the following continuation phrase "if I expect to understand and better enjoy the film."
That's fine. There is no rule that books and film must stand alone. I'd just rather enjoy a film as it is and be even more pleased to supplement it with book material, rather than have a continuous "wtf?" moment with the hope that I'm going to understand it later if I read the book, which, also, is not guaranteed.
But, mind you, I'm not discounting your greater appreciation of TGC, nor do I intend to invalidate your opinion.
Some folks likes what others dunt.  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 16:14:14
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| It's strange, though. When watching it, I wasn't struck by parts that I realised would be difficult to follow without having read the book. I suppose it's a case of the book building up certain concepts gradually, such that I did not then notice that some things introduced suddenly in the film might not be clear. This was also presumably the cause of the film coming out like that - because all concerned will have read the book too, and become immersed in its premises (the relationship of people and daemons, for example). |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 16:32:58
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Originally posted by MguyX
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The more I think about it, the more I realize my original exhortation to concentrate might have helped you, book or no book. EG In the first few scenes we get an intro to an Oxford-like setting and the sense of expectation that an important person is due. Special conference, etc. We learn of Lyra's place in that academic world. We're aware quite quickly that evil doings are afoot -- the poison in the wine, etc. We see dishy Dan and his big cat and the sense that "the child" is special. And then, when Dan foils the dastardly plan and proceeds to give his illustrated talk - we're aware this society is more advanced than ours because the apparent 2D illustration is on an animated loop -- it reminded me of that scene where Princess Leia gives the hologram message. And then - we learn of this 'dust' stuff -- and - Dan TELLS US - he's convinced it can flow both into and out of folk, and that there's a good chance it's a connecting force to parallel worlds. He wants funding to travel North to verify his theories.
Well, what a set-up. You don't have to read any of the trilogy to appreciate something's promised here, and if you stick with it, it could be good!
Now, if you'd stop doing the rounds of those T&A clubs during the day when you should be in court, you'd be able to stay awake for the finer moments of cine-tainment 
Innit?
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MguyXXV
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 19:41:09
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I wasn't text messaging during the film: I was trying to follow the story.
Bottom line for me: it didn't engage me.
T&A clubs, indeed! 
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 20:39:59
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Originally posted by Ali
Sean - I am not the intended audience for a lot of films I like. I doubt that they were thinking of short, hairy, frustrated (yet incredibly good-looking) Turkish men when they were developing Enchanted.
 Actually one of my favourite movies ever is a teen rom-com, Fucking �m�l. Not sure if I was the intended audience or not. Or perhaps I only liked it because it's about Swedish teen lezzos.
I'll definitely see The Golden Compass (as long as the score remains above 6), as any movie this controversial has to be worth checking out.  |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 23:56:52
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| I will definitely check it out. However, I will wait three months and watch it at home. Bad news for a $180MM picture. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 16:20:39
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There is no rule that books and film must stand alone.
Well, there is for me. I guarantee you that, even if I had read the books, I still would have given this movie a thumbs-down (and I've seen many HDM fans give it even more vicious pans than I did). If a movie only succeeds as a supplement to its source material, it's a failure as a movie. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 19:54:59
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
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There is no rule that books and film must stand alone.
Well, there is for me. I guarantee you that, even if I had read the books, I still would have given this movie a thumbs-down (and I've seen many HDM fans give it even more vicious pans than I did). If a movie only succeeds as a supplement to its source material, it's a failure as a movie.
But this one doesn't. And it isn't.
Here are some of my M* thoughts on tangential issues raised by the film.
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 22:41:51
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Ali
Sean - I am not the intended audience for a lot of films I like. I doubt that they were thinking of short, hairy, frustrated (yet incredibly good-looking) Turkish men when they were developing Enchanted.
Actually one of my favourite movies ever is a teen rom-com, Fucking �m�l. Not sure if I was the intended audience or not. Or perhaps I only liked it because it's about Swedish teen lezzos.
I'll definitely see The Golden Compass (as long as the score remains above 6), as any movie this controversial has to be worth checking out.
Known as 'Show Me Love' most places, including FWFR. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 09:22:04
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Here are some of my M* thoughts on tangential issues raised by the film.
Oooh! Okay, now I want to see the film AND read the book. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 21:36:35
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
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There is no rule that books and film must stand alone.
Well, there is for me. I guarantee you that, even if I had read the books, I still would have given this movie a thumbs-down (and I've seen many HDM fans give it even more vicious pans than I did). If a movie only succeeds as a supplement to its source material, it's a failure as a movie.
But this one doesn't. And it isn't.
Here are some of my M* thoughts on tangential issues raised by the film.
One note: Pullman has been repeatedly quoted as saying that the perceived excision of religious inferences in the first film don't bother him all that much because he wants there to be more films, and if that might prove to be an obstacle, then so be it. Can't provide a link, but I'm positive that EW's preview article included this quoted sentiment, as well as perhaps Rolling Stone. Pullman is hardly Above The Fray here; he wants all three films made, and is perfectly willing to nod to the mass market to get that done. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 22:14:36
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Hmm ... still #1 in US bo and now #1 in UK as well ... someone's word of mouth can't be all bad
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 23:03:29
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Hmm ... still #1 in US bo and now #1 in UK as well ... someone's word of mouth can't be all bad
Think you're still referring to last week's US tally. Let's see when we actually get to the weekend. UK? Of course!
Remember that this thing cost US$180MM. That is what counts.
EDIT: I hate to be the evil sorceror on all this. I'm only trying to point out a navigational star that will lead us toward reality. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 23:15:36
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Hmm ... still #1 in US bo and now #1 in UK as well ... someone's word of mouth can't be all bad
Think you're still referring to last week's US tally. Let's see when we actually get to the weekend. UK? Of course!
Remember that this thing cost US$180MM. That is what counts.
EDIT: I hate to be the evil sorceror on all this. I'm only trying to point out a navigational star that will lead us toward reality.
Well, of course you're the evil sorceror  ... and I expect to see you in TGC sequel 
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The Golden Compass
