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damalc 
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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 Posted - 03/12/2008 : 14:38:31
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i started to submit a review for "The Incredible Hulk" (2008), something like, 'Norton's next schizo role.'
my inner MERP said, nope. generic.
along with "Fight Club," Norton had some personality issues in "Primal Fear" and "The Score." a little bit in "Red Dragon" too. he seems to have a knack for multiple personality roles.
being the comic book nerd that i am, i also noticed that Robert Downey will make an appearance in "Hulk" as Tony Stark. cool. 
is it too soon for another Hulk movie? i would think the timing is right for a sequel, maybe a little late, but this looks like they're starting all over.
edit: and be sure to watch for the Stan Lee cameo. |
Edited by - damalc on 03/12/2008 14:45:20 |
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 15:58:55
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| 'Norton's next schizo role' is factually incorrect anyway since it relies on the HUGE misconception that schizophrenia has something to do with split or multiple personalities, which is absolutely and completely WRONG. |
Edited by - Downtown on 03/12/2008 15:59:23 |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 13:52:03
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Originally posted by Downtown
'Norton's next schizo role' is factually incorrect anyway since it relies on the HUGE misconception that schizophrenia has something to do with split or multiple personalities, which is absolutely and completely WRONG.
Yeah just watch 'A Beautiful Mind' for an explainition of Schitzophrenia....or you could simply google it.
But on the topic of the Hulk I was incredibley dissappointed that Ang Lee's version was not well accepted nor followed by a sequel.
Was it just too slow paced for most? |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 15:48:40
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How about because it was flat-out terrible?
I mean, seriously, I can't think of a single good thing to say about it. The backstory takes too long and makes no goddamn sense. Ang Lee directs both Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly as glass-eyed mannequins, and considering that Bana is supposed to be struggling with homicidal rage issues, well, this is not the direction I would have taken the performances. Ang Lee also throws himself into a comic book style that shows that he's embarrassed to be making a comic book movie. Seriously, he fights a trio of hulked out poodles.
That's the major things, was there anything else? I guess that's it. Oh wait wait, how about that scene where Connelly sees the Hulk for the first time and goes "...Bruce?" Yes, of course, the nine-foot-tall green thing is your boyfriend, of course she was able to just figure that out. Ridiculous. There are stupid leaps of logic like that everywhere. Marvel is probably going to avoid making that mistake ever again, in that they're not going to let a big-name director gut and destroy their character in the name of auteurism. Sadly, that's not going to prevent disasters like Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four or Daredevil, all of which are far worse than Hulk will ever be. |
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 17:24:38
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Hulk =
1/3 excruciatingly boring plot development +
1/3 fun and exciting action +
1/3 WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
The movie starts to spin out of control so gradually that at first you don't even notice...but when Nick Nolte for some inexplicable reason turns into a storm cloud, it's clear this one got away from Ang. |
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w22dheartlivie 
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 18:16:02
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Originally posted by Downtown
'Norton's next schizo role' is factually incorrect anyway since it relies on the HUGE misconception that schizophrenia has something to do with split or multiple personalities, which is absolutely and completely WRONG.
I had a horrible time with getting a review accepted when I used the descriptor of "schizoid." The rejection was for being factually inaccurate, although those symptoms were precisely what the character was displaying. Apparently there are huge misconceptions with mixing up schizophrenic and schizoid as well. I gave up on it, since you can't explain all that with 100 characters and my DSM-IV-R is much too large to send to England. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 18:25:51
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
Sadly, that's not going to prevent disasters like Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four or Daredevil, all of which are far worse than Hulk will ever be.
I've not seen Ghost Rider or Daredevil, but I did suffer through the Fantastic Four this winter. Now when I was a child, growing up in the little country general store with its nifty comic book rack that was freshly supplied monthly, one of my absolute favorites was Fantastic Four. I was so disappointed. Then again, I still can't believe that NONE of the Superman films has ever used Mr. Mxyzptlk. |
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 03/19/2008 : 01:57:09
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| Mxy? Well why stop there? Maybe Krypto should make an appearance, too. |
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damalc
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 17:21:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Downtown
'Norton's next schizo role' is factually incorrect anyway since it relies on the HUGE misconception that schizophrenia has something to do with split or multiple personalities, which is absolutely and completely WRONG.
absolutely AND completely? |
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 03/25/2008 : 12:59:57
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| Well I don't do anything halfway. |
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 03/25/2008 : 23:55:32
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
Then again, I still can't believe that NONE of the Superman films has ever used Mr. Mxyzptlk.
He made it into Smallville. |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 16:02:18
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Sorry for late reply to this.
Spoliers for Ang Lee's Hulk
I have my own reasons why I thought HULK was an entertaining movie.
It seemed to be shot in a haphazard way that reflected the structure of turning the pages of a comic book.
The build up of tension was gradual and mounting so that for the first third of the movie there was no hulk and all story but you could barely move for seeing him in the seccond two thirds. What was so confusing anyway:
Screwed up scientists does experiments on young son, gets chucked in jail for doing experiments on himself. Young son grows up to be a geneticist and gets blasted with what should kill him, dormant genes his dad was giving him, turns into hulk and goes haywire.
These characters were born of a comic and so why shouldn't they be flat and one dimensional to reflect hoe human the Hulk was in contrast.
Nick Nolte turnong into a stormcloud was what a new twist, a style thrown in by screenwtiter or director...it science fiction after all, anything can happen really.
As for Ross recognising Hulk as Banner, so what they are meant to be soul mates or something...get over it. Very few movies stand up to intense scrutiny, this one should have been seen for the masterpiece that it was. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 16:14:26
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Originally posted by Conan The Westy
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
Then again, I still can't believe that NONE of the Superman films has ever used Mr. Mxyzptlk.
He made it into Smallville.
That was such a terrible episode, mind.
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RockGolf
"1500+ reviews. 1 joke."
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 16:47:05
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The first problem with Myxy is that there are perhaps 2 ways to make it interesting for him to say his name backward, and the comics have done it dozens of ways. It's become really silly.
John Byrne came up with a great twist. Each time Myx sets a different yet also seemingly impossible goal for Supes to get him to do.
The second is that to make the imp's magic any fun rather than really cheap-looking would required scads of CGI. It's cool when in a comic, he changes all the buildings in Metropolis to flowers, or some otherwise equally impossible act. Not so easy on the screen. And for the cost of the effects, they have to slow down the story.
Naw, Supes needs other classic villians: Braniac, Parasite, Bizzaro. |
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 17:18:13
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It's not like I don't have sympathy, Beanmimo; I adore Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns, which like Hulk are gutsy, daring, and heavily flawed movies. I love those movies but I simply can't groove with Hulk.
For example, Hulk's comic book cinematography and split-screens just made Ang Lee look embarrassed, in my opinion. It's too self-conscious. I felt the same way about Romero's Creepshow. I would argue that the Spider-Man movies, the Blade movies, and even Sin City pulled it off much more successfully.
More importantly, the film is just boring. It's my least favorite kind of movie, genre movies that try unsuccessfully to divorce themselves from genre. I have a feeling that Ang Lee simply wasn't allowed to completely make the movie he wanted, and that's why he seems so embarrassed about the comic book-dom of it all, why he has the Hulk fight giant poodles. Whatever you want to say about Spider-Man 3 or Superman Returns, I never felt that Raimi and Singer didn't want to be making this movie. I kind of understand what Lee was going for, but he was directing a summer blockbuster, and he neither delivered the goods nor made me forget that I wanted to be watching a summer blockbuster.
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As for Ross recognising Hulk as Banner, so what they are meant to be soul mates or something...get over it.
By your admission Banner and Ross are flat and one-dimensional. I don't think that's true of Christian Bale's Batman, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man or even Thomas Jane's The Punisher. Connelly's performance in particular is terrible. The fact is that it's simply too hard to sympathize with either Banner or The Hulk; I think there's a way to sell the moment, but Lee sure didn't find it. |
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Demisemicenturian
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