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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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 Posted - 05/25/2008 : 16:46:34
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Please explain why you are against my suggestion Yukon.
It's merely giving reviewers the option of not submitting a duplicate review. If the reviewer wants to submit it he/she just presses the YES button.
Why do you think this is a bad idea?
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 19:46:06
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Originally posted by Yukon
I've said this many times before: With over 200,000 reviews, there is almost no original reviews to be written!!
You could eliminate 90% of the reviews on this site under a rule that says you can't duplicate a review that's similiar from ANOTHER movie.
This is just not true. On the rare occasion when I find I have written a review that turns out to be similar to another (and that adds nothing to it), I delete it. The same goes for many people here.
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I don't understand how people say duplicate reviews don't add anything to the site. Anything that is funny or clever adds to the site.
How? How does the same joke twice add to the site? Is it funnier to read it twice than once? I don't think so. If you bought a joke book, would you think you had got a particularly good deal if the same jokes were in multiple chapters?
I think there is an onus on us to be generally familiar with the reviews on the site, and if we don't happen to know whether a very obvious review has been taken, to check.
As Whippersnapper says, how can you object to this as a facility? Should others be denied it just because you don't even want to have the information at your disposal? You could still press ahead with your duplicate if you wanted to. |
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lemmycaution 
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 21:33:34
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| I think that Whipper's suggestion refers to exact dupes and if that is the case I support it. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 21:44:24
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It does Lemmy.
In fact the programming to cope with merely similar reviews is difficult anyway, whereas exact dupes is easy peasy.
(There's a trivial side-issue that it could also take into account the same words but different punctuation without too much extra work, but whether that is worth the trouble is entirely Benj's call.)
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 21:59:38
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Originally posted by lemmycaution
I think that Whipper's suggestion refers to exact dupes and if that is the case I support it.
That's not in any doubt. Yukon approves of exact duplicates across different films, as evidence attests. |
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Sludge
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 01:02:22
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Originally posted by Salopian
There are certain surname puns that cause me to just ignore the review immediately - Walken, Fonda, Hathaway,... 
...Dunaway.
But "Huston has a 'problem'" for Chinatown is pretty good.
At anyway, I agree with Sean and others. I've been too quiet about this for too long. I'm feeling increasingly robbed lately and I think it is particularly insulting when someone knows someone has already tread there, and puts that duped review in Sean's FYCTH. If you are guilty of doing this to me, please delete the offending review and find 50 of my FWFRs that you can vote for.
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 03:40:36
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Originally posted by Salopian
[quote]Originally posted by Yukon
I've said this many times before: With over 200,000 reviews, there is almost no original reviews to be written!!
You could eliminate 90% of the reviews on this site under a rule that says you can't duplicate a review that's similiar from ANOTHER movie.
This is not true.
Yes it is. We disagree on this point |
Edited by - Yukon on 05/26/2008 03:42:00 |
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 03:45:46
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Yukon
I've said this many times before: With over 200,000 reviews, there is almost no original reviews to be written!!
You could eliminate 90% of the reviews on this site under a rule that says you can't duplicate a review that's similiar from ANOTHER movie.
This is just not true. On the rare occasion when I find I have written a review that turns out to be similar to another (and that adds nothing to it), I delete it. The same goes for many people here.
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I don't understand how people say duplicate reviews don't add anything to the site. Anything that is funny or clever adds to the site.
How? How does the same joke twice add to the site?
I've been on this site every day for more than two years and I never saw Brat out of Hell once. (At least I didn't remember seeing it.)
There are so many different movies that a good joke can easily never get seen. So if similiar jokes appear for two or four movies out of the 25,000 that are on this site, what's the harm?
And sorry guys, no more posts from me in this thread. I just want Benj to know that not everyone agrees with this thread and hopefully he'll leave things the way they are.
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 09:04:20
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If you dont want to make any more posts on this thread, thats up to you of course, but I still dont understand why you cant answer my question as to why you oppose the idea of a warning message.
Your answer would have been a valuable contribution to the discussion.
On the question of originality, if it doesnt matter, I wonder why we dont deliberately copy other popular reviews from one film to another? Why would that be considered taboo if all we want to do is spread the joke around as far as possible? I've never heard you say that this would be a good idea.
You seem to take the position that as long as you havent seen the other review, or dont remember seeing it, then its OK.
A problem here is that some people have better memories than others in this respect. For example, my "Nix, Lies & Audiotape" was written about a year ago and FYCed. You would have seen it then. Maybe you voted for it. A year later you "independently" come up with the same review for a similarly themed film. But given you had certainly already seen the review I think you are just unconsciously copying the earlier review.
Seems as if the recipe for being having a high vote tally is being a great reviewer with a very poor memory. 
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 09:23:02
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Seems as if the recipe for having a high vote tally is being a great reviewer with a very poor memory.
Could be, but only if you have the luck to get the review to a MERP with an equally bad memory.
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 09:51:53
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Nope. The MERP isn't supposed to consider whether the review has been used for another film, only its appropriateness for the film it is reviewing.
This kind of thing is a matter for self-regulation rather than Benj or MERPs.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 13:38:35
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Originally posted by Yukon
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Originally posted by Salopian
This is not true.
Yes it is. We disagree on this point
I meant that I gave myself as an example. Please tell me which 90% of my reviews are duplicates. Or are you saying that all my reviews are in the 10%? That doesn't seem very likely! |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 13:43:44
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Originally posted by Yukon
I've been on this site every day for more than two years and I never saw Brat out of Hell once. (At least I didn't remember seeing it.)
There are so many different movies that a good joke can easily never get seen.
Well, you must be able to tell whether or not you had seen it, not just that you don't remember it. If you liked it enough to submit it then you would have voted for it had you seen it, surely. However, the point is that it is obvious that "Brat out of Hell" would have been taken. Had I never heard of it and then thought of it, I would have done a search via Google (admittedly not perfect but better for reviews than the Fourum) and counted myself very lucky had I not found it to already exist on the site.
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So if similiar jokes appear for two or four movies out of the 25,000 that are on this site, what's the harm?
The harm is the wrong person getting credit. More to the point, what's the good of this? |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 13:46:21
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
A problem here is that some people have better memories than others in this respect.
Yep, and I'm sorry to be blunt but of the many cases I have seen in the rounds in the last couple of months, Yukon is the main proponent.  |
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