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MM0rkeleb 
"Better than HBO."
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 Posted - 09/14/2008 : 18:27:37
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So I just had a couple of rejections I want to talk about. I've got no beef with the rejections themselves; I can see why the reviews might need to be adjusted to be acceptable. However, each rejection came with an additional explanation that puzzled me.
First up is Chimes at Midnight, Orson Welles's condensation of a few Shakespeare plays focusing on the relationship between Henry IV and Falstaff. I submitted 'You Orson round man!' a reference to a line in I Henry IV where Falstaff is called 'you whoreson round man.' Admittedly, the link to Henry IV is tenuous since it's not a famous line, so it's a little generic as is (I already know how I want to modify it). Here's what the MERP said:
Nice pun, but not only for this movie...for example, 'Touch of Evil', and anything in Welles' latter, fatter period (even 'Start the Revolution Without Me'). 'Henry IV' is only part of the source.
It's the bolded part that confuses me. Why is it relevant that Chimes at Midnight has sources other than Henry IV?
The other review is for Sweet Smell of Success. Given the well-known scene where Lancaster tells Curtis 'Match me, Sidney,' I thought I'd try 'Lancaster matched by Curtis.' Here's what the MERP said:
You review could apply to three out of the four films in which these two actors appear together. Could you please resubmit a review more specific for this film. Thank you.
Now, if it weren't for the specificity of the bolded part, I'd assume the MERP had missed the match pun. So is it the case that in three of these four films (I'm assuming all but the last):
Criss Cross
Trapeze
The Sweet Smell of Success
The List of Adrian Messenger
Curtis lights a match for Lancaster? Or should I resubmit with explanation?
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 19:06:09
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Just resubmit with explanation.
This is nearly always the best course of action before discussing it on the fourum. MERPs are only human and do miss associations sometimes. It's a normal part of fwfr life. 
Just let your determination match your judgment. 
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 20:14:12
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| What Whippy said. Except for the part about MERPs being human. |
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Sludge
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 21:03:51
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It could have more meaning if the was used in the film.
If so... How bout
'Whoreson' Welles
I do the same as whipper if the review seems worth it.
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 21:42:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Sludge
It could have more meaning if the was used in the film.
If so... How bout
'Whoreson' Welles
Sounds a bit like this one...
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MM0rkeleb
"Better than HBO."
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 23:05:55
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'Falstaff: Orson round man' has been accepted. I've resubmitted the other with explanation.
Again, it wasn't so much the rejections that had me flummoxed - just the odd comments in the <Click for details>.
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 00:17:04
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Here's a more specific one, for which I'll have to say my review (something I don't like doing, since then people get into discussing merits or dismerits of the review that are not relevant to the issue at hand). It is "Key, C.C., flat" for The Apartment.
Here is the response: "I get where you're trying to go with the three related puns, but there's no such key as 'C flat', and the second 'C', required for the character's name, foils the effort anyway. Noble try, but declined with regrets."
Now, I am neither ignorant of nor interested in the basics of music, so I certainly do not need a lecture about it. Benj has changed the rules such that a good pun can override inaccuracies in a review. (I don't know exactly where, but he said so in a recent thread.) This does NOT, however, mean that suddenly a bad pun cancels out a perfectly accurate review. C.C., his flat and the key to it are three of the very central things in this film. The pun not being perfect is of no relevance to approvability, only to voting. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 01:54:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Salopian
Here's a more specific one, for which I'll have to say my review (something I don't like doing, since then people get into discussing merits or dismerits of the review that are not relevant to the issue at hand). It is "Key, C.C., flat" for The Apartment.
Here is the response: "I get where you're trying to go with the three related puns, but there's no such key as 'C flat', and the second 'C', required for the character's name, foils the effort anyway. Noble try, but declined with regrets."
Now, I am neither ignorant of nor interested in the basics of music, so I certainly do not need a lecture about it. Benj has changed the rules such that a good pun can override inaccuracies in a review. (I don't know exactly where, but he said so in a recent thread.) This does NOT, however, mean that suddenly a bad pun cancels out a perfectly accurate review. C.C., his flat and the key to it are three of the very central things in this film. The pun not being perfect is of no relevance to approvability, only to voting.
However, the MERP is wrong. There is indeed a key of C-flat. C-flat major corresponds with B major, however it is written differently. C-flat major has 7 flats, as opposed to B major's 5 sharps. Whether it is a commonly used key signature or not, it does exist, so the rationale for declining the review based on the non-existence of the key is in error.
(Sorry for the mini-lecture, Salopian.) |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 01:58:42
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Actually there is such a key as C flat, hence C flat major. B major is more commonly used because it has five sharps rather than seven flats, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
edit: great minds, etc. Although Livie's mind was a bit quicker.  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 02:12:27
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| Me too (great minds, I mean). I had just come on to say the same thing, now that I had thought about it. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 02:24:10
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I should also (re)state that the reason this sort of error bothers me is that I am losing a substantial proportion of my quota having to resubmit reviews, and even so am not able to resubmit all invalidly rejected ones.
So, Benj, here is a suggestion:
If a review gets through on a non-initial pass (not counting rejections for over 20 submissions, since they do not use up quota places, or reviewers' edits of approved reviews, since the reviewer is choosing to do that (unless they are editing back from an unwanted MERP change)), give the reviewer an extra quota slot for that week. That way, people would not be disadvantaged for faulty MERP decisions. |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 09/15/2008 02:45:46 |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 02:30:33
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While we're chatting I had a recent decline that I thought was a little unfair given how precise the MERP was being given what a nice pun it was...
For "Blithe Spirit" my review was 'Corpse Brides' (because Rex Harrison's character is haunted by his dead wives). The MERPish reason was "Spirits yes, corpses no". Is that being a tad too literal, or is it just me?  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 02:36:47
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| I've had the reverse today (or recently) -- I referred to someone becoming a ghost who had only become a corpse! |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 02:39:38
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 04:30:31
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quote:
Originally posted by demonic
Actually there is such a key as C flat, hence C flat major. B major is more commonly used because it has five sharps rather than seven flats, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
edit: great minds, etc. Although Livie's mind was a bit quicker.
I started to go on about progressive key changes and yada yada, and realized I was lecturing too much.
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Odd <Click for details> - Thoughts Please
