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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 12/10/2008 : 20:41:50
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Originally posted by Slud9e
Same films, different day.
The full stop review is excellent but it would be much better with a colon in the middle. At the moment only the pun reading makes full sense. |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 21:04:39
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 21:19:13
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Well, I don't mind if I do!
Well, I guess you don't mind that I already did!! Here's your chance to pay respects
Well, if we're going to be picky, Channel 4 was first with its programme Operatunity.
Gee I didn't know they were a member of fwfr 
BTWE - v&v
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 21:35:38
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How could anyone ever accuse you of being picky, Salopian? Ridiculous!
My review is not just a pun on "opportunity" - its on the phrase "land of opportunity," (that is financial opportunity)which South American was seen as by C19th Europeans, and what it is to all the European characters in the film except Fitzcarraldo, who, bizarrely, sees it as the perfect opera venue.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 21:59:10
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
My review is not just a pun on "opportunity" - its on the phrase "land of opportunity," (that is financial opportunity)which South American was seen as by C19th Europeans, and what it is to all the European characters in the film except Fitzcarraldo, who, bizarrely, sees it as the perfect opera venue.
Thank you for that explanation of the obvious, which is also neither here nor there since the pun is wholly located on the word in question. I was simply pointing out that that pun was very well known beforehand, and so it makes no difference who recycled it into a review first. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 22:31:45
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The explanation wasn't for superior people like you Salopian, naturally.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 22:44:52
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| I cannot imagine who here you thought needed it. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 22:48:45
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Well, I thought all those people whose reviews you regularly critique were the obvious audience.
All those people who need to be told by you where to put their commas or colons. Those people who would get your vote if they would only rewrite their review in the correct way, as defined by you.
To be accused of condescension by you is deeply, deeply ironic. Thanks for making me laugh at loud.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 23:06:30
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| Wanting actual errors to be corrected and expressing one's preference for potential reviews are both categorically distinct from 'explaining' the self-evident. Unlike that, neither can be deemed condescending since one is totally objective and one is explicitly subjective. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 00:46:05
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Bullshit.
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 02:35:41
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Sludge
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 06:53:50
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V&V
Funny. I agree with Whipper about punctuation and really liked that "operatunity" made me think twice (and then I voted for it). I think my review works as is though it would also work by swapping one non-letter for another non-letter. This site is not "reviews in a properly-punctuated four word sentence." I try to read reviews with that in mind. This means, no, it is not completely objective to insist on a punctuation change.
But... I would have felt better voting for
"Gay Time In New York City, A" if I hadn't noticed the (1911) after voting (sorry to say). It's difficult to know much about the film, but I'm pretty sure the pun on Queens would be lost on New Yorkers round the turn of the century.
To say more about "Operatunity", though, I really thought this was a great way of putting it. I also liked this because I cannot separate the film Fitzcarraldo from the total nightmare it was to make. Reflecting on the experience, Director Werner Herzog referred to himself as "conquistador of the useless." This is kind of how I see myself among my collection of fwfrs. (More so when Salopian puts so much energy into picking them apart).
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 12:50:02
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My comment on your review was not in the objective category mentioned. I took napper's punctuation reference to be about things like the apostrophe I was talking about a round or two ago. My post about your review was entirely and openly subjective, since it was framed within a judgment of its quality. It still would be better in the way I suggested, though, for a couple of reasons. 
And yes, napper's review is title play only. As he always has a bee in his bonnet about reviews being unfairly rejected on that basis, I'm surprised he's so happy to have them unfairly approved in that way. Well, actually, in his case I'm not surprised, since he is not keen on avoiding hypocrisy. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 13:27:21
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No, Mr Twilight Zone, my "Gay Time In New York City" is not a title play only.
The secondary inferred meaning is a title play, but the primary meaning of "Enjoying NY (especially Queens)" is geographical, which I suppose is why it was accepted.
Personally I don't know or care whether people in 1911 would have understood the secondary meaning, as I didn't write the review for them. I wrote it for people in 2008. However, if anyone feels that this detracts from their appreciation I respect that position.
Incidentally, objecting to reviews being incorrectly refused as title play onlys does not contradict getting reviews accepted which might be title play onlys, except perhaps in the strangely warped personal reality hell that we call "Salopian". 
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 02:47:34
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The secondary inferred meaning is a title play, but the primary meaning of "Enjoying NY (especially Queens)" is geographical, which I suppose is why it was accepted.
No, it is the "especially Queens" that makes it title play only. There is no evidence from the actual film (including the real meaning of the title) that Queens is favoured in it. "Enjoying NY (including Queens?)" would be fine, probably even without the question mark, but you chose not to go with that version.
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Incidentally, objecting to reviews being incorrectly refused as title play onlys does not contradict getting reviews accepted which might be title play onlys
It depends what you mean by contradict. It's not a logical impossibility to be hypocritical in such a way way, but the principle is certainly contradicted by submitting title-play-only reviews like this one. |
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