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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 02/28/2009 : 02:36:02
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Originally posted by dem9nic
Lots of us have started the FYC rounds over those two years and most of us have chosen to name it that way.
And no one's saying you shouldn't if you want to, but that's no reason to say that everyone has to go along with the change.
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Personally I think it personalises the thread in a good way, and make it seem less "official" and more fun.
I don't agree with that at all. I think it has no benefit in that way and is potentially intimdating to have an established member's name on it -- new members may feel that it is just for old hands or that they are not equal. This is just a subjective view but no more so than yours.
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As for new members they will more than likely click on the link to see what it is regardless of what the thread is called - the rules then make it pretty clear what it's all about.
That is just speculation. I really feel that people are more likely to click on "Treasure Hunt" than some initials that have no meaning to them, especially as there are so many initialled rounds swimming around. For that reason, I always write "M.I.H.A.I." in full too -- it's much more welcoming.
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And I don't think I harangued you for no reason Sal, it felt like a good reason to me.
Nope. I had never made any comment on others' choice to change the title, and only did so because bife asked directly. I didn't say anything in the least objectionable. Your attack was therefore misplaced. If you wanted to make it with regard to some other threads (the only explanation that makes sense) then you should have made it there. |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 02/28/2009 02:45:00 |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 02:40:15
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Originally posted by Se�n
But, the main thing is to be consistent for ease of finding the threads (current or old). For the last few years I've called the threads "FYCTH #483" (I could never bring myself to insert my name  ) and most have called them "Sean's FYCTH #483" or something very similar. There's also a precedent for sensible and consistent naming of regular threads (MIHAI, SA:MOU etc).
Well, I don't agree that the threads are at all hard to find, but if we really wanted them to be entirely consistent then we would have to omit your name, since otherwise it would still not be consistent when you started a round yourself.
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Still, if anyone has a problem with that, we could always name it after someone else. How about "Salopian's FYCTH #483"?
Please don't try to imply that this is something egotistical on my part. You can see from my own repeating threads that I am interested in no such thing. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 02:43:36
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
It certainly seems to be a case of bucking the tradition if you are the only one who purposely omits the name that is used back 75 pages and 3 years. It seems to me that it is insulting, given the animosity that pops up around here.
Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than announce that it is a tradition (when I am being more traditional) and that it is insulting (when there's just no basis for that -- frankly, these reviews pay better tribute to Sean than my pointlessly adding his name to threads would) if you're to convince me that there's any good reason to change the title. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 02:57:33
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
A few week's back Salopian decided to change the name of "Sean's FYCTH" to simply "For Your Consideration Treasure Hunt".
You seem to have forgotten to apologise for misrepresenting me or to correct this opening post. (Talking of correction, if someone else had written that third word, you would have had something to say about it.) |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:06:12
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
It certainly seems to be a case of bucking the tradition if you are the only one who purposely omits the name that is used back 75 pages and 3 years. It seems to me that it is insulting, given the animosity that pops up around here.
Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than announce that it is a tradition (when I am being more traditional) and that it is insulting (when there's just no basis for that -- frankly, these reviews pay better tribute to Sean than my pointlessly adding his name to threads would) if you're to convince me that there's any good reason to change the title.
I'm afraid I don't have to. As I said, it seems to me it is insulting. I also realize you won't change the title and would never have even at the time this discussion started. I gave my opinion, I need not convince anyone that my opinion is valid. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:14:26
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
It certainly seems to be a case of bucking the tradition if you are the only one who purposely omits the name that is used back 75 pages and 3 years. It seems to me that it is insulting, given the animosity that pops up around here.
Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than announce that it is a tradition (when I am being more traditional) and that it is insulting (when there's just no basis for that -- frankly, these reviews pay better tribute to Sean than my pointlessly adding his name to threads would) if you're to convince me that there's any good reason to change the title.
I'm afraid I don't have to. As I said, it seems to me it is insulting. I also realize you won't change the title and would never have even at the time this discussion started. I gave my opinion, I need not convince anyone that my opinion is valid.
Your opinion was clearly couched in terms of trying to convince me, so that's why I thought you were. Also, it would be kind of strange to give an opinion if you didn't in any way want people to be persuaded by it. But my main point was that just stating things without any kind of rationale is not really reasonable or productive.
And most importantly, if you want to be pedantic, you can see that my sentence was of the form "You're going to have to... if..." I therefore did not even technically say that you had to, just that that would be the only way I might change my mind. I didn't state that you were supposed to try to change my mind. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:19:29
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
It certainly seems to be a case of bucking the tradition if you are the only one who purposely omits the name that is used back 75 pages and 3 years. It seems to me that it is insulting, given the animosity that pops up around here.
Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than announce that it is a tradition (when I am being more traditional) and that it is insulting (when there's just no basis for that -- frankly, these reviews pay better tribute to Sean than my pointlessly adding his name to threads would) if you're to convince me that there's any good reason to change the title.
I'm afraid I don't have to. As I said, it seems to me it is insulting. I also realize you won't change the title and would never have even at the time this discussion started. I gave my opinion, I need not convince anyone that my opinion is valid.
Your opinion was clearly couched in terms of trying to convince me, so that's why I thought you were. Also, it would be kind of strange to give an opinion if you didn't in any way want people to be persuaded by it. But my main point was that just stating things without any kind of rationale is not really reasonable or productive.
And that, Sal, is why I don't play here much anymore. As I said, I realized from the start that nothing would sway you from your stance, so I gave my opinion. I don't really give a shit whether you like my opinion or are persuaded by it. It does not stop me from giving my opinion, and I have. So I'll take my unreasonable and unproductive self away again. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:24:01
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
And that, Sal, is why I don't play here much anymore. As I said, I realized from the start that nothing would sway you from your stance, so I gave my opinion. I don't really give a shit whether you like my opinion or are persuaded by it. It does not stop me from giving my opinion, and I have. So I'll take my unreasonable and unproductive self away again.
I have only responded to you because after I gave my logical reasoning for not changing the title, you reiterated the point you had already made (except for squashing it into the truth that I had pointed out), this time to me directly. Do you think it reasonable that you should do that but I not respond in turn?
And I really hope you're not trying to advise me on manners when you make a snide gossipy comment like "I think it's a way to discuss what's with Salopian!" |
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lemmycaution 
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:24:13
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There was a story circulating when I was a child of a proud mother standing on the pavement as the battalion in which her son had just enlisted marched past. All the soldiers, with the exception of her son, marched with perfect timing.
"Look," shouted the proud but effectively blind mother. "My son's the only one in step!"
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:28:01
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Originally posted by lemmycaution
"Look," shouted the proud but effectively blind mother. "My son's the only one in step!"
If he were the only one who had kept perfectly in time with the original beat, then she would be quite right.  And while it's a bit of a lame scene, the marching exercise in Dead Poets Society is quite enough proof that there's no reason to think that just going along with the actions of the crowd is a good thing. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 03:52:56
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie
And that, Sal, is why I don't play here much anymore. As I said, I realized from the start that nothing would sway you from your stance, so I gave my opinion. I don't really give a shit whether you like my opinion or are persuaded by it. It does not stop me from giving my opinion, and I have. So I'll take my unreasonable and unproductive self away again.
I have only responded to you because after I gave my logical reasoning for not changing the title, you reiterated the point you had already made (except for squashing it into the truth that I had pointed out), this time to me directly. Do you think it reasonable that you should do that but I not respond in turn?
And I really hope you're not trying to advise me on manners when you make a snide gossipy comment like "I think it's a way to discuss what's with Salopian!"
Nope, Sal, not trying to advise you on anything. But since you brought it up, I've all but quit here because of the snarkiness and argumentativeness you've been touting around. It really makes it unpleasant. I don't actually recall what brought about that comment on Facebook, if you'll notice, it was from July 2007. I'm not inclined to look back through and see what feud was ongoing then, but apparently it was something because I'm not the only one who made reference. It actually appears as if the comment was a response to one that was #1, and has been deleted. You either have a long memory or a handy "Most Serious Injuries" list. It wasn't gossipy, although it might have been snide. It doesn't much matter. What I will make a point of doing, which is also what I do when a see a post started by PKMN, is simply avoid the threads that you start. |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 06:56:47
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Se�n
Still, if anyone has a problem with that, we could always name it after someone else. How about "Salopian's FYCTH #483"?
Please don't try to imply that this is something egotistical on my part. You can see from my own repeating threads that I am interested in no such thing.
I didn't use the word "egotistical", you did. What is clear though, is that you have changed everything you could possibly change about the opening post of a FYCTH thread, including the title and opening post itself. The only thing remaining intact is the set of rules which are well known as non-negotiable. For whatever reason (ego or whatever) you've decided to make your own mark on FYCTH by changing everything possible (there's nothing inherently wrong with that other than the fact that other participants don't appear to like your changes).
And I certainly haven't taken the removal of "Sean" from the thread title as an insult at all, I've seen it simply as you wanting to do everything your way rather than the 'standard' way. I'm well aware of your tribute reviews, which I'd voted for a long time ago (ego, I guess  ). |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 06:57:27
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OK, apart from being one of the funniest threads I've read on fwfr for a long time, perhaps it's time to reach a conclusion? (That doesn't mean a consensus, as clearly there will never be one, simply a conclusion). I have a suggestion, as follows:-
As initiator of FYCTH a.k.a. "Four Your Consideration: Treasure Hunt" I will allow my natural fascist tendencies to come to the fore and add an extra rule to FYCTH that specifies the structure of the opening post (which includes the thread title). I'll base the structure of the opening post on what most consider 'normal' and traditional here. FYCTH threads that don't conform to the specifications are declared null and void and a new thread will be started by someone who intends to conform to the rules absolutely.
I've added the new rule, as follows:-
Four Your Consideration - Treasure Hunt
Sean Says: Do what I say, or die...
Put any five reviews you like in your F.Y.C. list.
 Do not use reviews from the previous round - you must change them every round.
 Post here to declare that you've done it. Sooner is better than later.
 Provide a spoiler warning in your post when appropriate.
 You must read the F.Y.C.s of all participants.
 The next round starts on Monday or Thursday at 6:00 a.m. FWFR time, whichever comes next.
 The initiator of the next round will name the thread "FYCTH - #***" or "Sean's FYCTH - #***", "***" is one integer greater than the number of the current round. The initiator of the next round will copy this post verbatim and it will appear as the opening post of the next round, the only things that may be changed are fonts/colours and smileys (which may be removed altogether if desired) and the inviso comment after "Sean Says:".
Needless to say, anyone is free to disapprove of the new rule and start their own version of FYCTH if they want. Anyway, what sayest thou fwfrers? Do you approve of the new rules or not?
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 07:47:55
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 02/28/2009 : 09:08:17
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I always follow the penguin. Especially when he's backed by Oscar!
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Consensus please! To Sean Or Not To Sean...
