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benj clews 
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 Posted - 03/12/2009 : 00:45:20
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Originally posted by Salopian
There are two issues here. One is how big a trauma leaving the reviews would be, even for a few MERPs in a row. Let's pretend that that would be a big trauma. Fine.
I never said it was big trauma, just that it's irritating and adds to the backlog. And you know what? If I knew I was doing something that both irritated and was inconveniencing other people (this being your fellow reviewers, whether they know it or not) I'd do my level best not to do it, rather than try and justify it by suggesting the system I'm violating should be changed. You can stick a lot more than just letters in a postbox, but that doesn't mean you should.
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However, the other issue is what to do with the review if such a request would be traumatic to acquiesce to. It was valid for it to be in the pending queue because it was a totally valid review. The pun was not perfected but the literal meaning was still valid. Ignoring the polite request did not mean that the review should then be rejected. Ignoring it meant that it should then have been processed on face value.
If the review is valid then don't put "PLEASE DO NOT PROCESS YET -- I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THIS ONE" against it. The MERPs can then get on with acting one way or the other on the review. If you don't want it looked at yet, don't submit it. It's a simple rule... 
At the end of the day, even if a MERP were to simply ignore your review, it'd then end up doing the rounds for all the other MERPs, which then stops another review from being looked at by each of them. I see it as a MERP's civic duty to decline such reviews for the good of the pending queue. I'm personally instructing the MERPs to decline any and all reviews that the author states aren't ready yet. |
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Demisemicenturian 
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Posted - 03/12/2009 : 01:17:40
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Originally posted by benj clews
If I knew I was doing something that both irritated and was inconveniencing other people
Well, since I am not telepathic, I obviously did not know that. I'm of course not going to submit another review on that basis. Sadly, in contrast, the MERPs seem incapable of learning about any problems and so they make the same errors again and again and again (e.g. rejecting reviews as duplicates that say "This review is OLDER than so-and-so's").
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If the review is valid then don't put "PLEASE DO NOT PROCESS YET -- I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THIS ONE" against it. The MERPs can then get on with acting one way or the other on the review. If you don't want it looked at yet, don't submit it. It's a simple rule...
It's a rule now that you have stated it -- but once again, I am not telepathic! There is a difference between making a polite request for deferral and the review not being valid for approval. Had I known that making a polite and peripheral request would cause my valid review to be punished with rejection, I of course wouldn't have made that request. I did not say "YOU MUST NOT PROCESS YET" or "THIS REVIEW IS NOT YET VALID". They could have perfectly well acted one way or the other on the review just as things stood.
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I see it as a MERP's civic duty to decline such reviews for the good of the pending queue.
That makes no sense at all. Approving the review would have done the pending queue just as much good, and perhaps more (I might not have been able to improve the review and thus might have left it approved, whereas now I will definitely put it back in the queue).
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I'm personally instructing the MERPs to decline any and all reviews that the author states aren't ready yet.
Thank you for letting us know about this new rule. Now it is fair (in the sense of the law if not justice) for the MERPs to act in this way, at least to people who have read this thread. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 03/12/2009 : 01:37:17
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by benj clews
If I knew I was doing something that both irritated and was inconveniencing other people
Well, since I am not telepathic, I obviously did not know that. I'm of course not going to submit another review on that basis.
I'm very glad to hear that.
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If the review is valid then don't put "PLEASE DO NOT PROCESS YET -- I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THIS ONE" against it. The MERPs can then get on with acting one way or the other on the review. If you don't want it looked at yet, don't submit it. It's a simple rule...
It's a rule now that you have stated it -- but once again, I am not telepathic!
I know! I know! It's not so simple to realise that if you submit a review it will be approved or declined by an editor regardless of if you've finished it or not. Who'd've thunk it?
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I see it as a MERP's civic duty to decline such reviews for the good of the pending queue.
That makes no sense at all. Approving the review would have done the pending queue just as much good, and perhaps more (I might not have been able to improve the review and thus might have left it approved, whereas now I will definitely put it back in the queue).
Hang on here... what exactly are you talking about? I thought we were discussing how annoying it is when you say "PLEASE DO NOT PROCESS YET -- I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THIS ONE." against a review and it's then declined. Now you seem to be saying the editors should ignore your request to not process the review yet. You're making no sense at all.
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I'm personally instructing the MERPs to decline any and all reviews that the author states aren't ready yet.
Thank you for letting us know about this new rule. Now it is fair (in the sense of the law if not justice) for the MERPs to act in this way, at least to people who have read this thread.
What's unjust about declining a review even the author has stated isn't ready yet? |
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randall 
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Posted - 03/25/2009 : 13:28:38
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| I've had two or three declined recently with no explanation. That's OK with me, but I thought one of them in particular deserved at least a "The editor doesn't understand" because it was so obviously wordplay that I intended to mean something. Maybe there is a programming glitch somewhere. Or maybe my wordplay was so lousy that it went without saying... |
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BENJ: no decline reasons
