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randall 
"I like to watch."

Posted - 01/11/2010 :  02:12:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Michael Moore health care film made lots more sense, and was much more powerful, than I had expected -- since I'd sorta been beaten down by a great deal of critical hoo-hah. The filmmaker wisely keeps himself out of it, for the most part, and just wants to know, why? If we're so smart and rich in the USA, why does (a) universal health care not exist, and (b) the system we do have cost so much? Besides our pantaloon-dropping Congresspersons, led by the nose by the ever more powerful insurance-and-pharma lobby, there's not much of a reason at all, is there?

Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 01/11/2010 :  02:55:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This was also better than I'd expected (I watched it recently). I'd kinda gone off Michael Moore after Fahrenheit 911 when I concluded he was manipulative and not particularly honest. (He presented 'facts' in a way that he knew would cause many viewers to reach an incorrect conclusion - much like the man he was aiming at (Dubya) had a habit of doing).

I didn't think the same thing at all while watching Sicko, it was hard to pick holes in the material presented. It became apparent that the duty of a public healthcare entity is to provide healthcare to it's citizens - whereas the duty of a private healthcare industry is to not provide healthcare; they're obliged to their shareholders to maximise profit through cost minimisation through claim denial.

I ended up feeling very glad I live in a country with public healthcare.
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randall 
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Posted - 01/11/2010 :  03:13:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, Moore definitely stacks the deck and loads the dice shamelessly, and you have to view him -- and any other documentarian -- with a grain of salt. But if you lived here, you'd find that he's a piker next to the truth-twisting titans of Fox News. I guess he's the anti-dope. I know he wasn't supposed to go to Guantanamo or Cuba, but I've especially missed the sober white-papers and rebuttals by the insurance and drug industries that explain how SICKO misrepresents the many virtues of the U.S. health industry. I'm still waiting.

Edited by - randall on 01/11/2010 03:17:30
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 01/11/2010 :  03:27:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randall

I know he wasn't supposed to go to Guantanamo or Cuba, but I've especially missed the sober white-papers and rebuttals by the insurance and drug industries that explain how SICKO misrepresents the many virtues of the U.S. health industry. I'm still waiting.

Zigactly. He didn't misrepresent the industry, so they have nothing they can hit him with.

Sometimes the truth doesn't need to be embellished.
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 02/16/2010 :  14:59:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, it's nothing other than shocking. Healthcare would be my biggest concern if I ever visited the United States. I never get travel insurance for Europe but I definitely would if I went there. Fingers crossed that it will actually get changed this time. I cannot bear how its opponents insist on calling it socialised healthcare, in order to conjure up the Red Threat: they don't feel the need to call state schools socialised education!

Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 03/05/2010 20:27:35
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Demisemicenturian 
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Posted - 03/05/2010 :  20:26:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was just wondering about something and this seems as good a place to ask about it as any.

What happens to Americans who have a lifelong medical condition? Surely they could never get any insurance to cover it?
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 12/27/2010 :  05:15:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an older thread about this film.
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