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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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 Posted - 07/19/2006 : 05:57:03
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 15:10:16
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V&V.
BTW, Chocky, what two actors WON Oscars for playing the same character?
Al Pacino was nominated for playing the same role in two different films: Michael Corleone. But the first one was for Supporting, not Actor. With the benefit of hindsight, considering how Pacino's reputation has blossomed since then [not to mention our later revelation that Michael is in fact the central character in all three movies], isn't it notable that the Vito Corleone part was pitched to the Academy by the studio as the lead, and Michael as supporting? [I'm not sure about this, but Michael might even have more screen time than Vito in GF#1.] Of course, in 1972, Al Pacino was nobody, and Brando was still Brando...
By 1974 and Part II, the game was flipped. The Vito character won the Oscar for Supporting [for the second time that same character had won an Oscar], and Michael lost again, but this time as Best Actor! |
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TitanPa 
"Here four more"
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 19:11:46
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| voted to here. Mampers hit a Grandslam with me. Voted for all 5 |
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damalc
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 21:04:56
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 23:14:35
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V&Ved.
Baffy lost out by changing her fycs too soon. Don't let this happen to you, kids!  |
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Warzonkey 
"Seriously Lo-Res"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 00:08:36
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| V, V, V, V, and even V. |
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chazbo 
"Outta This Fuckin' Place"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 02:22:33
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V squared.
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Sludge
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 03:31:22
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| Varsity Vlues |
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 04:02:07
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| Voraciously viewed, voted. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 07:13:27
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Originally posted by Randall
V&V.
BTW, Chocky, what two actors WON Oscars for playing the same character
Al Pacino was nominated for playing the same role in two different films: Michael Corleone. But the first one was for Supporting, not Actor. With the benefit of hindsight, considering how Pacino's reputation has blossomed since then [not to mention our later revelation that Michael is in fact the central character in all three movies], isn't it notable that the Vito Corleone part was pitched to the Academy by the studio as the lead, and Michael as supporting? [I'm not sure about this, but Michael might even have more screen time than Vito in GF#1.] Of course, in 1972, Al Pacino was nobody, and Brando was still Brando...
By 1974 and Part II, the game was flipped. The Vito character won the Oscar for Supporting [for the second time that same character had won an Oscar], and Michael lost again, but this time as Best Actor!
I think you miss my point. What made Peter O'Toole's achievement special (and which will probably always be unique) is that the two movies in which he played Henry II had absolutely nothing to do with each other, whatsoever. Becket revolved around... well, Sir Thomas Becket and his relationship with God vs King, and Lion in Winter was about Henry II, Elinor of Aquitaine and their sons fighting about who would be next in line. With all due respect, playing the same role in a sequel or a series of films isn't terribly unique.
(By the way, I voted this round.) |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 10:35:28
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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I think you miss my point. What made Peter O'Toole's achievement special (and which will probably always be unique) is that the two movies in which he played Henry II had absolutely nothing to do with each other, whatsoever. Becket revolved around... well, Sir Thomas Becket and his relationship with God vs King, and Lion in Winter was about Henry II, Elinor of Aquitaine and their sons fighting about who would be next in line. With all due respect, playing the same role in a sequel or a series of films isn't terribly unique.
(By the way, I voted this round.)
But being nominated for Oscars for the same role more than once is special. Not to mention two different actors winning for playing the same character, which is unlikely to ever happen again, outside of Shakespeare.
And as for "sequels," which others have won Best Picture? |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:18:37
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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I think you miss my point. What made Peter O'Toole's achievement special (and which will probably always be unique) is that the two movies in which he played Henry II had absolutely nothing to do with each other, whatsoever. Becket revolved around... well, Sir Thomas Becket and his relationship with God vs King, and Lion in Winter was about Henry II, Elinor of Aquitaine and their sons fighting about who would be next in line. With all due respect, playing the same role in a sequel or a series of films isn't terribly unique.
(By the way, I voted this round.)
But being nominated for Oscars for the same role more than once is special.
Well, yes - but you must admit that doing it in two totally unrelated films is far more special than doing it in connected films. I can't even think of another film where an actor played the same character in two totally unrelated films besides O'Toole.
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Not to mention two different actors winning for playing the same character, which is unlikely to ever happen again, outside of Shakespeare.
Actually, outside of Shakespeare, I can see many possibilities where different actors could get nominations for playing the same character. Just think about it - with all the remakes they make these days, I'd hardly find it unlikely if it happened, but of course, since most remakes these days are mostly far inferior to the originals, it would be surprising.
(I can see it now - Cate Blanchett wins Academy Award for best actress for her role playing Scarlett O'Hara in the remake of "Gone With the Wind"! What's more, Whoopi Goldberg wins for her rendition of the part of Mammy in the same movie - making Oscar history (once again) when the first African American wins a THIRD oscar after Hattie McDaniel became the first African American to be nominated for and win an Oscar for the original film. What a night, fans, what a night!) |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:36:17
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Actually, outside of Shakespeare, I can see many possibilities where different actors could get nominations for playing the same character. Just think about it - with all the remakes they make these days, I'd hardly find it unlikely if it happened, but of course, since most remakes these days are mostly far inferior to the originals, it would be surprising.
I disagree about the possibility of the nominations, because I agree about the quality of most remakes and sequels. THE GODFATHER PART II is virtually unique in the land of sequeldom. If Johnny Depp gets another nomination for Jack Sparrow next year for DEAD MAN'S CHEST [and, see above: how likely is that?], he will join a very, very small group, consisting of O'Toole and Pacino.
And, as I said above, how about the achievement of two different actors winning for the same role? Outside of Shakespeare, that's unlikely to happen again. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:58:44
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Actually, outside of Shakespeare, I can see many possibilities where different actors could get nominations for playing the same character. Just think about it - with all the remakes they make these days, I'd hardly find it unlikely if it happened, but of course, since most remakes these days are mostly far inferior to the originals, it would be surprising.
I disagree about the possibility of the nominations, because I agree about the quality of most remakes and sequels. THE GODFATHER PART II is virtually unique in the land of sequeldom. If Johnny Depp gets another nomination for Jack Sparrow next year for DEAD MAN'S CHEST [and, see above: how likely is that?], he will join a very, very small group, consisting of O'Toole and Pacino.
Yes, he will, if that happens (but I doubt it will).
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And, as I said above, how about the achievement of two different actors winning for the same role? Outside of Shakespeare, that's unlikely to happen again.
Still, you have to admit that O'Toole does have a very singular achievement. He is the only actor to play the same character (Henry II) in two totally unrelated films (one James Goldman play and screenplay and the other a Jean Anouilh play, Edward Anhalt, screenplay). What's more, he was nominated for Oscars for both performances (he won for only Lion in Winter) and that is something that's even more unlikely to happen ever again. I'd say its even rarer than two different actors getting even nominations for playing the same character.
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 12:03:33
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Actually, outside of Shakespeare, I can see many possibilities where different actors could get nominations for playing the same character. Just think about it - with all the remakes they make these days, I'd hardly find it unlikely if it happened, but of course, since most remakes these days are mostly far inferior to the originals, it would be surprising.
I disagree about the possibility of the nominations, because I agree about the quality of most remakes and sequels. THE GODFATHER PART II is virtually unique in the land of sequeldom. If Johnny Depp gets another nomination for Jack Sparrow next year for DEAD MAN'S CHEST [and, see above: how likely is that?], he will join a very, very small group, consisting of O'Toole and Pacino.
Yes, he will, if that happens (but I doubt it will).
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And, as I said above, how about the achievement of two different actors winning for the same role? Outside of Shakespeare, that's unlikely to happen again.
Still, you have to admit that O'Toole does have a very singular achievement. He is the only actor to play the same character (Henry II) in two totally unrelated films (one James Goldman play and screenplay and the other a Jean Anouilh play, Edward Anhalt, screenplay). What's more, he was nominated for Oscars for both performances (he won for only Lion in Winter) and that is something that's even more unlikely to happen ever again. I'd say its even rarer than two different actors getting even nominations for playing the same character.
Absolutely a rare achievement, no doubt about that. But at the risk of sounding like a broken record, it's even less likely that two actors could ever again win for playing the same role... |
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