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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 11/16/2006 : 17:58:12
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Originally posted by Randall
I am anxiously awaiting the DVD because I want to re-watch Bale's performance and see if there are any subtle differences as he plays each twin. Did anybody notice any the first time through?
Well, the switching between loving and arguing with his wife isn't that subtle... |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:00:25
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Originally posted by silly
Wolverine was obsessed with getting back at Bale for his wife's accident, and obviously fashioned his life around this.
This is either true at the beginning and is forgotten, or is never true, as he admits to Scarlett later. It's just rivalry.
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A sign of the obsession was storing 100 clones of himself in a warehouse, each in their own little jar - talk about incriminating evidence!
No, I don't think this is the case; they're created one at a time. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:02:03
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Originally posted by GHcool
Michael Caine seemed to have known about the twin because he gave the daughter over to him after her biological father hanged. However, if he did know about the twin and was on the twins' side, why did he testify in court against Christian Bale?
This isn't really covered properly, but I think he has just found out/guessed after he finds out Jackman is the lord. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:09:21
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Originally posted by demonic
Jess and father (uncle?)
I wondered about this at the time. At first, I thought that she might be ending up with her uncle (which she still might, biologically), but in practice they were both her father and may not have even known which had conceived her. Since they had both brought her up and she had both of their genes, is or isn't it significant which one happened to impregnate her mother? |
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silly 
"That rabbit's DYNAMITE."
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:57:25
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by demonic
Jess and father (uncle?)
Since they had both brought her up and she had both of their genes, is or isn't it significant which one happened to impregnate her mother?
I believe identical twins have the same DNA. And I don't recall from the movie, but the uncle may not have actually had intercourse with her (did they say for sure one way or the other? They certainly implied that when he was with her that there wasn't much "love")
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silly
"That rabbit's DYNAMITE."
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:58:56
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Originally posted by Salopian
No, I don't think this is the case; they're created one at a time.
Yes, but he didn't dispose of any. Eventually the warehouse would have been discovered and his secret revealed, right? Or am I misreading something here (or in the movie)
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GHcool 
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 00:53:26
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Originally posted by bife
And the real magic/science cloning twist was pretty weak and cheap - although I did like the idea that he was killing himself/his clone every evening to make the trick work and to set up Bale, and that he never knew whether he was killing himself or the clone.
I agree, although not to the same degree - I was happy to go along with it at the time. However, the not-knowing-whether-twin-or-self thing didn't quite make sense. There isn't an original and a clone, as Tesla points out with the top hats. One becomes two and one of those dies. It is just that the one alive at the end has experienced all of the splits. But at each stage, the one that dies has experienced all of the splits up to then. (Alternatively, one can view the one that survives as always being the clone, if one of them is, because that is the one that has been created away from where the original stood. However, that does not fit with what Tesla says about the hats.)
Yeah. The original knew that he would drown and be replaced by a double somewhere else. Every original that has ever done the trick has never experienced the sensation of drowning until the time when it is his turn to die and be replaced by a double. |
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silly
"That rabbit's DYNAMITE."
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 02:19:53
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What do y'all think of the foreshadowing earlier in the film, when he flashes back to his childhood, seeing the magician make the bird disappear? He was the only one in the audience to make an outburst.
"But where's his brother?" through the tears. And then they show the guy scooping bird parts out of the table back at the workshop. |
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 02:29:00
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Randall
I am anxiously awaiting the DVD because I want to re-watch Bale's performance and see if there are any subtle differences as he plays each twin. Did anybody notice any the first time through?
Well, the switching between loving and arguing with his wife isn't that subtle...
Duh, you sure right there, Sally...
Obviously, I was referring instead to genuinely subtle aspects of the portrayal that live outside the spoken lines. I repeat, a second viewing will be interesting to see if any physical dissimilarities -- for example, any visual tics which can be assigned to one of the two characters -- actually exist. The wife's differentiated relationship to each individual twin is perfectly obvious to all but the very dullest audience member, but only in retrospect. I'm looking for more theatrical choices. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 09:11:53
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Originally posted by silly
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Originally posted by Salopian
No, I don't think this is the case; they're created one at a time.
Yes, but he didn't dispose of any. Eventually the warehouse would have been discovered and his secret revealed, right? Or am I misreading something here (or in the movie)
I may have missed something. I thought the bodies got disposed of each night. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 09:15:18
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Originally posted by silly
I believe identical twins have the same DNA. And I don't recall from the movie, but the uncle may not have actually had intercourse with her (did they say for sure one way or the other? They certainly implied that when he was with her that there wasn't much "love")
You're right that this isn't specified, but I assumed that both have had sex with her (especially before Olivia turned up for the one that dies), as they were committed to leading a shared life. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 09:20:53
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Originally posted by silly
What do y'all think of the foreshadowing earlier in the film, when he flashes back to his childhood, seeing the magician make the bird disappear? He was the only one in the audience to make an outburst.
"But where's his brother?" through the tears. And then they show the guy scooping bird parts out of the table back at the workshop.
Yes, that wasn't too subtle a clue. Except it was Sarah's nephew wasn't it, not him in his childhood?
Another none-too-subtle thing was his identifying the Chinese magician's method. It was then completely obvious from that that he would be doing a trick involving long-term and life-controlling deceit. |
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silly
"That rabbit's DYNAMITE."
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 19:27:13
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by silly
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Originally posted by Salopian
No, I don't think this is the case; they're created one at a time.
Yes, but he didn't dispose of any. Eventually the warehouse would have been discovered and his secret revealed, right? Or am I misreading something here (or in the movie)
I may have missed something. I thought the bodies got disposed of each night.
They were hauled off by the blind guys to the warehouse. At the end of the movie, that's where he is standing when confronted by his rival, who walks out past them, I'm guessing thirty nine in all  |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 01:06:01
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| Honestly, I didn't predict either magician's solution to the transported man trick, though Wolverine's solution didn't count because it wasn't really a plot twist because of the sci fi element. I knew something was off about Fallon, but I wasn't sure what. The hints such as how the wife knew that Bale didn't always mean it when he said he loves her, the caged bird's brother, etc. did not register with me until after the end of the movie. |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 17:48:07
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Originally posted by Salopian
Because of demonic giving it away in the F.Y.C.T.H., I was waiting for the twists and guessed what they were, but not from the beginning of course. I still enjoyed it, though, and gave it 5/5 (like I give most things   ).
Hey! Not guilty, m'lud. I would like to point the prosecutor in the direction of my identical twin, GHCool. Or is he my clone? Or is he Ziggy Stardust? It's all so confusing. |
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