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benj clews 
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 Posted - 11/18/2006 : 22:11:50
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Finally got around to seeing this and have to admit that the sci-fi answer messed up the ending.
Don't get me wrong, I can accept one (but no more) pair of identical twins as the clever twist every once in a while, but cloning, especially when everything else in the film seemed so grounded in period realism? They might as well have gone with "aliens came back from the future and gave me teleportation technology" as the ending. Or Robert Angier #2 is actually Micheal Caine in a rubber mask. Honestly, it's like the twist ending to The Sixth Sense being that Bruce Willis has an invisibility belt that he uses on everyone but the kid. Basically, it's a bit of a swizz.
When I saw all the hats, I desperately wanted it not to be cloning because I really enjoyed the film (David Bowie's atrocious accent aside- what nationality was he supposed to be?). In fact, my solution would have been that Wolverine was still using drunk actor Wolverine for the illusion. However, when Wolverine found out Batman was coming to that show, he put the glass box below the trapdoor in order to frame Batman for the murder of drunk actor Wolverine (who everyone at the trial thought was real Wolverine). THAT was what I would have gone with. No bloody Star Trek technology.
Loved it otherwise, though- the magic performances especially had me rivetted  |
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GHcool 
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 01:29:01
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demonic 
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 01:40:56
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There we have it - Wolverine is practically indestructible - he could have drowned every night in the box and been resurrected by Alfie after the show. Problem solved. Batman would have worked it out though, being a master detective.
That reminds me; did it not seem incongruous to anyone else that Jackman was totally ripped physically for a aristocrat turned stage magician in Victorian London? I bothered me a bit - he should really have been stick thin and a bit consumptive. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/20/2006 : 09:19:51
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Originally posted by Salopian
Because of demonic giving it away in the F.Y.C.T.H., I was waiting for the twists and guessed what they were, but not from the beginning of course. I still enjoyed it, though, and gave it 5/5 (like I give most things  ).
Hey! Not guilty, m'lud. I would like to point the prosecutor in the direction of my identical twin, GHCool. Or is he my clone? Or is he Ziggy Stardust? It's all so confusing.
No, GHcool said that his F.Y.C. contained a spoiler, but he kindly did not say that it was a twist. That was you. All films have endings, but many films do not have twists. 
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 11/20/2006 : 19:19:22
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I wouldn't have known one way or the other, I hadn't seen it at that point. I guess I assumed as much seeing it was a film about illusion, misdirection and trickery.  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/26/2006 : 02:18:08
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Originally posted by demonic
I wouldn't have known one way or the other, I hadn't seen it at that point. I guess I assumed as much seeing it was a film about illusion, misdirection and trickery.
All the more reason to have not stated that there was a twist, then.  |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 11/26/2006 : 02:22:46
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| Re the sci-fi thing, I did not mind it. (If I found magic interesting in itself, I can imagine that this would be different.) I liked the irony of Jackman wanting the 'real' method used by Bale, instead of just the double he (J.) initially makes do with; he finds a method that is more like real transportation than having a dupe is, but it turns out that the method he has rejected as inferior is actually superior, and in more than one way (morality/dedication to the magician's art). |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 11/26/2006 : 17:22:15
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by demonic
I wouldn't have known one way or the other, I hadn't seen it at that point. I guess I assumed as much seeing it was a film about illusion, misdirection and trickery.
All the more reason to have not stated that there was a twist, then.
I am sorry about that, I hate things being given away too, and I didn't mean to infer anything by my comment. As I said I didn't know if there was a twist or not, but figured it was a dead cert from the "are you watching closely?" tagline combined with the director of "Memento". I'll be more careful in future, I promise.
Don't you hate it though when some movie trailers utterly ruin films by showing key moments in a film that while you're watching you can deduce whole plot points, or worse, the end. |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 11/27/2006 : 10:05:12
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Originally posted by demonic
figured it was a dead cert from the "are you watching closely?" tagline combined with the director of "Memento".
I wasn't aware of either of those.
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Don't you hate it though when some movie trailers utterly ruin films by showing key moments in a film that while you're watching you can deduce whole plot points, or worse, the end.
The worst ever case of this I think I've mentioned before, perhaps even in this thread. A recent film (please no one name it in case other people don't know and do see it) used this quotation from a review extremely prominently in its publicity: "a twist you'll never see coming". Luckily, I did not realise it was the film in question when I saw it, as I did not remember the title from when I saw the publicity. With knowing that, one would readily be able to guess the twist, but as naive as it sounds, as it was I had no clue how it would end. This made the film much, much better. |
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demonic
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Posted - 11/28/2006 : 02:44:39
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| I know exactly which one you mean - because I saw the trailer, which looked great, which then arsed it up with that review quote - which was reprinted on every bus stop poster board in my immediate area. I didn't see the film in the end, pretty much for that reason. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 06:35:36
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I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to write down my thoughts while I was thinking them.
Yes, he was always a Lord...it is implied in the beginning of the movie in his discussion with his wife and also, how else would he get all that money for the machine and the life as the lord?
Freddy would have been an acceptable nickname for someone named Alfred.
Cutter did not know he was a twin...at the beginning of the movie, he says he doesn't know anything of Alfred's past. He also 'sides' with Jackman during most of the magicians' battles and would've revealed the truth to Jackman. He releases the daughter because he recognizes Borden and regardless of the fact that Alfred is supposed to be dead, he doesn't understand everything that has gone on and he thinks this would be best for the daughter.
I loved this movie...saw it twice in theaters so far and I never go to the movies. Doesn't hurt that it stars Jackman and Bale...
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I came home and told my hubby that it was fun watching Batman and Wolverine have it out. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 06:38:09
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What do y'all think of the foreshadowing earlier in the film, when he flashes back to his childhood, seeing the magician make the bird disappear? He was the only one in the audience to make an outburst.
"But where's his brother?" through the tears. And then they show the guy scooping bird parts out of the table back at the workshop.
That wasn't him, it was his wife's nephew. |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 06:39:51
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Honestly, I didn't predict either magician's solution to the transported man trick, though Wolverine's solution didn't count because it wasn't really a plot twist because of the sci fi element. I knew something was off about Fallon, but I wasn't sure what. The hints such as how the wife knew that Bale didn't always mean it when he said he loves her, the caged bird's brother, etc. did not register with me until after the end of the movie.
Also, when Bale's character finds out about the baby the first thing he said was "We should have told Fallon!" Because the twin that found out first was the one who didn't really care. |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:13:25
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Welcome back Tori!
It's a shame you're not a MERP  , as you could help make the growing backlog of reviews disappear, like magic.
Still, we can't have everything.
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 18:50:39
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Welcome back Tori!
It's a shame you're not a MERP , as you could help make the growing backlog of reviews disappear, like magic.
Still, we can't have everything.
I'm not on as often as I'd like but I'm sure I could make a small dent. :) Have they revealed the MERPS or something? Because you're assuming I'm not one. Ooooooh, ahhhhh, intrigue! LOL. |
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THE PRESTIGE -- MAJOR SPOILER ALERT
