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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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 Posted - 11/18/2006 : 18:21:29
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Originally posted by MguyX
Read this. It's still not dead.
Interesting article, but I don't see the connection here. Aside from that, without knowing much about the search or documents, there is one unfortunate assumption I could reach very quickly about this woman's disappearance. It isn't one I would like to voice here, however.
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Catuli 
"Loves Film and Fun"
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 19:26:33
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Whether or not the original definition of "Nazi," in all its toxic excesses, is dead for me, you, or some other guy, doesn't have any effect on its prevailing definition as being extremely autocratic. The original definition of "chauvinist" meant hopeless devotion to a lost cause. The word alluded Nicolous Chauvin, a lieutenant in Napoleon's army who was always dressed and primed for the Little Corporal to return from St. Helena. Alas, that event never transpired, and as we all know "chauvinist" has mutated into having a completely different meaning. I'd call those who pine for Nazi to regain its original meaning chauvinists, but then I'd be contradicting myself. Don't want that.
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 21:21:48
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Originally posted by MguyX
Joe:
I understand your frustration. I apologize to you unreservedly for anything that you perceived as even bordering on character assassination. I did not intend to insult you, but what is important is that you felt insulted. That is the thing I want to address. Because you felt insulted, I apologize, becaus I do not want to insult you. I thought I was making clear that I intended no personal attack on you when I made the statement that I was neither attacking you nor denigrating your talent and intelligence. The implacable phenomenon, however, is that you perceived insult, when I intended none. There is nothing wrong with your perception: it is what it is. As with a math problem, elements of what I said added up in your arithmetic to an insult. Regardless of my motivation, I hear that you feel I was trying to abuse you, and I understand, and I apologize. You are a very clever person, as evidenced by the strong wit apparent in your many reviews. I have stated this publicly (indeed, when you were relatively new to the site), and I continue to stand behind that.
If I was a newbie and had never read any of Mguyx's personal background, I couldn't have guessed any profession other than legal.  |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 22:58:54
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Originally posted by Catuli
Whether or not the original definition of "Nazi," in all its toxic excesses, is dead for me, you, or some other guy, doesn't have any effect on its prevailing definition as being extremely autocratic. The original definition of "chauvinist" meant hopeless devotion to a lost cause. The word alluded Nicolous Chauvin, a lieutenant in Napoleon's army who was always dressed and primed for the Little Corporal to return from St. Helena. Alas, that event never transpired, and as we all know "chauvinist" has mutated into having a completely different meaning. I'd call those who pine for Nazi to regain its original meaning chauvinists, but then I'd be contradicting myself. Don't want that.
I don't understand this concept of a "prevailing definition". What does it mean and how is it relevant?
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Catuli
"Loves Film and Fun"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 00:50:20
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Prevailing definition simply reflects the general consensus about what the word means. That's all. If you elect to be fuddy duddies and champion an outmoded definition, that's your prerogative. I'm drunk and giddy from the Ohio State Buckeyes beating of the loathsome Michigan Wolverines, so you'll have to pardon my lack of elaboration.
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MguyXXV
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 02:00:32
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by MguyX
Read this. It's still not dead.
Interesting article, but I don't see the connection here. Aside from that, without knowing much about the search or documents, there is one unfortunate assumption I could reach very quickly about this woman's disappearance. It isn't one I would like to voice here, however.
I meant that the article is an example of how the Nazi legacy still has direct impact on people in our lifetime. I would wager that this gentleman's definition of the term is very different from the dictionary.com definition. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 06:33:50
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Originally posted by MguyX
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by MguyX
Read this. It's still not dead.
Interesting article, but I don't see the connection here. Aside from that, without knowing much about the search or documents, there is one unfortunate assumption I could reach very quickly about this woman's disappearance. It isn't one I would like to voice here, however.
I meant that the article is an example of how the Nazi legacy still has direct impact on people in our lifetime. I would wager that this gentleman's definition of the term is very different from the dictionary.com definition.
Okay. And trust me, I know full well how that legacy still has a direct impact on people today. The past 19 years of my work has been dedicated to helping just such people. And yes, for these people, the term doesn't bring to mind that third dictionary.com entry, but rather the first ones. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 11:04:06
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Originally posted by Catuli
Prevailing definition simply reflects the general consensus about what the word means. That's all. If you elect to be fuddy duddies and champion an outmoded definition, that's your prerogative. I'm drunk and giddy from the Ohio State Buckeyes beating of the loathsome Michigan Wolverines, so you'll have to pardon my lack of elaboration.
Then its a circular argument. You define a particular meaning as prevailing, and then conclude thats what the word means.
My last word is that defining a Nazi as someone who was a member of the German National Socialist Party in the 1920s -1940s is not an outmoded definition at all. Its 100% valid as are other meanings, such as a member of a similar right-wing organisation and a very authoritarian person. All these definitions are used today.
I'm beginning to think that you are a "Word-Nazi". 
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Catuli
"Loves Film and Fun"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 13:28:48
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I'm not defining "Nazi." I'm merely pointng out what its prevailing definition is, which is simply determined by studying how the majority of the people use it. You seem to think I'm an advocate for Nazi to mean "stridently autocratic." I'm not.
Hey, and by calling me a Word Nazi you're strengthening my point by using it in the meaning that I contend is prevailing.
I don't think I'm a Word Nazi....I'm more like a pedantic logothete perpetuating sesquipedalian sophistry.
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MguyXXV
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 15:17:32
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"Sonofabitch."
Now there's an interesting word for word-nazis of all shapes and stripes. The word is as clearly descriptive as any given item on a Chinese retaurant menu, but nearly no one considers it at face value. Inherent in the term is the position that the insultee's mother is a bitch (yet another word straying significantly far from its roots), though the gravamen of the insult intent is that the insultee is flawed. In one sense, it's a two-fer! |
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 15:23:44
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Originally posted by Catuli
I don't think I'm a Word Nazi....I'm more like a pedantic logothete perpetuating sesquipedalian sophistry.
You and Sally definitely need to join the same study group! Trust me! |
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 18:21:58
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Originally posted by MguyX
"Sonofabitch."
I think it was Jack Nicholson who said:
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." |
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MguyXXV
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 11/20/2006 : 20:56:19
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As the discussion began to drag, I was happy to see this thread stop popping up under "Active Topics." But, given the context, I thought Michael Richards (Kramer of "Seinfeld" fame) should have the last word.
Perhaps this really just an attempt to ad-lib the Lenny Bruce routine gone wrong?
I felt the clip was informative because, at least to me, it appears that Richards thinks he can use the "N" word merely to shock. However, its lingering baggage continues to keep the word out of the realm of acceptability in public (unless you're really trying to insult a person). Isn't it fair to say, then, that regardless of what anyone percives as a "prevailing definition," continued used of an offensive word in an offensive context will continue to keep the original definition alive and offending? "I's thinks so." says Ali G. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 09:23:28
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Originally posted by MguyX
Isn't it fair to say, then, that regardless of what anyone percives as a "prevailing definition," continued used of an offensive word in an offensive context will continue to keep the original definition alive and offending? "I's thinks so." says Ali G.
Note my highlighting - that is the key, I think. |
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MguyXXV
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 17:14:14
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by MguyX
Isn't it fair to say, then, that regardless of what anyone percives as a "prevailing definition," continued used of an offensive word in an offensive context will continue to keep the original definition alive and offending? "I's thinks so." says Ali G.
Note my highlighting - that is the key, I think.
Soup [epithet]. Popcorn [epithet]. Jazz [epithet]. Hmmm... somehow, however, the offending context seems to stick to racial epithets. I tried it with various racial slurs, and the result was the same (except "cracker," which was kind of humorous and seemed to refer naturally to a retail product). |
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Okay, NOW I'm pissed!
