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ChocolateLady 
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 Posted - 12/03/2006 : 13:39:37
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Originally posted by benj clews
The more I think about it, the more I think Craig was a clever choice for Bond.
There seems to be a large number of women who find him attractive (my other half included), yet I think he looks like a bit of a nasty piece of work, i.e. this is the first Bond that actually looks like a cold-hearted killer to me. In my mind, to achieve both of those (albeit not the former with CL  - you can't please all the people...) with a serious actor is a trick in itself.
This is probably the reason I'm so anxious to see this movie. Despite the rivers of tears I shed - first when I heard Pierce wasn't continuing and then when I heard they weren't even considering Clive Owen for the part, and therefore started out prejudiced against Craig - I really want to see if he can overcome my negative attitude towards him.
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 12:20:40
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
This is probably the reason I'm so anxious to see this movie. Despite the rivers of tears I shed - first when I heard Pierce wasn't continuing and then when I heard they weren't even considering Clive Owen for the part, and therefore started out prejudiced against Craig - I really want to see if he can overcome my negative attitude towards him.
Yeah, I heard that Owen was in contention and I thought he would be ideal. Christian Bale would have been great too - he wouldn't be able to do rough as well as Owen or Craig, but he's perfect at cold/nasty. They also both have the advantages of being non-blond and non-ugly.
On the blond thing, if anyone can name any suave blond celebrities, I'll reconsider my view (although there will have to be a lot of them to balance out all the dark-haired ones I can think of). |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:13:17
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Bale might have been okay as well. I heard they were also considering Hugh Jackman.
As for the blonde suave actors - the only ones I can think of who were really suave are Paul Newman and Peter Lawford - but that's back when they were in their primes (although I think Newman is still pretty suave today). The closest we have to a blonde suave actor today might be Jude Law.
(Although part of my opinion might be because of his British accent - which does figure in, especially for Americans.)
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benj clews 
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:37:29
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Originally posted by Salopian
On the blond thing, if anyone can name any suave blond celebrities, I'll reconsider my view (although there will have to be a lot of them to balance out all the dark-haired ones I can think of).
Since it's a personal view, there's little point trying. Yes, perhaps someone will name an actor who has also in your opinion been suave and it'll change your stance, but chances are you'll have your own feeling on it which won't agree.
It's like trying to settle if David Hasselhoff is cool or not. Shamed as I am to admit it, I think he's got something and a lot of Eastern Europeans would agree, but I realise we could be alone in this opinion  |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:42:18
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
As for the blonde suave actors - the only ones I can think of who were really suave are Paul Newman and Peter Lawford - but that's back when they were in their primes (although I think Newman is still pretty suave today). The closest we have to a blonde suave actor today might be Jude Law.
Yup, Paul Newman's one for the blonds. I don't know who the other one is (and I wouldn't be able to judge by looking him up). And Redford can probably also pass for suave, even if he's a bit rugged. Is Jude Law blond? I know that he's blond sometimes, but isn't it dyed? I'm not sure that that counts. He can pass for suave too, at least if one is not influenced by his private foolishness. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:45:31
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Originally posted by benj clews
Since it's a personal view, there's little point trying. Yes, perhaps someone will name an actor who has also in your opinion been suave and it'll change your stance, but chances are you'll have your own feeling on it which won't agree.
If someone's suave, they're suave. Yes, we may disagree about who is more so than whom, but not many cases of whether someone is in the suave spectrum at all.
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It's like trying to settle if David Hasselhoff is cool or not. Shamed as I am to admit it, I think he's got something and a lot of Eastern Europeans would agree, but I realise we could be alone in this opinion
I think he is cool, in a kitsch way; people would pretend that their liking him was ironic. He was foolish but still cool in Click. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:49:45
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by benj clews
Since it's a personal view, there's little point trying. Yes, perhaps someone will name an actor who has also in your opinion been suave and it'll change your stance, but chances are you'll have your own feeling on it which won't agree.
If someone's suave, they're suave. Yes, we may disagree about who is more so than whom, but not many cases of whether someone is in the suave spectrum at all.
Okay, then... here's a fact: my fiancee thinks Daniel Craig was suave in Casino Royale.
So you think he isn't suave and she thinks he is.
Is he suave or not?
P.S. I've now officially typed 'suave' too many times... it's starting to look spelt funny to me now  |
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benj clews
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 13:55:52
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Originally posted by Salopian
Is Jude Law blond? I know that he's blond sometimes, but isn't it dyed? I'm not sure that that counts. He can pass for suave too, at least if one is not influenced by his private foolishness.
Does it matter whether his hair is blond naturally or not? If he's in a film with blond hair and someone thinks he looks suave, then that is a blond person who is suave surely? |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:03:31
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Originally posted by benj clews
Okay, then... here's a fact: my fiancee thinks Daniel Craig was suave in Casino Royale.
So you think he isn't suave and she thinks he is.
Is he suave or not?
Hhmmm, I wouldn't really say he was, but he's also not supposed to be particularly suave yet, is he? But yes, I'd say he might be borderline suave in it, certainly much suaver than he seems in reality. I think the writers really get the credit, but I acknowledge that that may be the case for many other people. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:08:13
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Originally posted by benj clews
Does it matter whether his hair is blond naturally or not? If he's in a film with blond hair and someone thinks he looks suave, then that is a blond person who is suave surely?
It's just that I am thinking of him as a whole - I don't know when it has been blond and when not. Also, I think it does make a difference as to whether it's natural, or at least permanent. It's part of someone's whole persona. I certainly don't think that an already suave, ordinarily dark actor likely becomes desuaved by bleaching their hair.
It could be down to growing up dark or blond. Blond is a steretypically attractive thing and helps people stand out. Thus an attractive blond youth is likely to get a lot of positive attention. His dark equivalent therefore needs to work a bit harder and develop his charm. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:29:46
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Originally posted by Salopian
It's just that I am thinking of him as a whole - I don't know when it has been blond and when not. Also, I think it does make a difference as to whether it's natural, or at least permanent. It's part of someone's whole persona.
So you're talking about people in general being suave rather than a blond character being suave?
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It could be down to growing up dark or blond. Blond is a steretypically attractive thing and helps people stand out. Thus an attractive blond youth is likely to get a lot of positive attention. His dark equivalent therefore needs to work a bit harder and develop his charm.
I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say you're not blond (naturally or otherwise)...
I've always been blond- used to be very very blond, and now I'm just plain blond, but I've never ever found it a winner with the ladies. If anything, they take you less seriously and give you less attention than dark haired folks. Hence the phrase "tall, dark and handsome"- oddly enough, I can't think of a blond equivalent.
As for positive attention, how many blond leading men are there versus dark haired?
I suspect you may be talking your own preference of hair colour here- as I say, I really can't think of these waves of attention I got growing up through being blond and even less in later life  |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:38:21
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Originally posted by benj clews
So you're talking about people in general being suave rather than a blond character being suave?
Yes, but it still has an effect with characters, which is why Bond should be dark.
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I've always been blond- used to be very very blond, and now I'm just plain blond, but I've never ever found it a winner with the ladies. If anything, they take you less seriously and give you less attention than dark haired folks. Hence the phrase "tall, dark and handsome"- oddly enough, I can't think of a blond equivalent.
I thought you weren't. You didn't look blond in that photo in the hoodie. Also, I said at the time that I had imagined you were blond (because of your avatar when I joined), and you didn't correct me (but perhaps you thought I meant I had turned out to be right). Anyway, you're engaged, aren't you? Who knows where you'd be if you just had brown hair. 
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As for positive attention, how many blond leading men are there versus dark haired?
Loads of the Californian type. Paul Walker. And of course the unequalled Owen Wilson. See - he is very, very charismatic, but I wouldn't say he could be called suave. Sure, being in comedies doesn't help, but perhaps that's the result, not the cause. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:40:25
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:42:08
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Originally posted by benj clews
As for positive attention, how many blond leading men are there versus dark haired?
Plus Brad Pitt, the leading leading man. Beautiful and smouldering, but I wouldn't say he ever does suave. |
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benj clews
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Posted - 12/04/2006 : 14:53:24
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by benj clews
As for positive attention, how many blond leading men are there versus dark haired?
Loads of the Californian type. Paul Walker. And of course the unequalled Owen Wilson. See - he is very, very charismatic, but I wouldn't say he could be called suave. Sure, being in comedies doesn't help, but perhaps that's the result, not the cause.
What I was trying to say was that there's a far smaller number of blond leading men to dark haired.
Okay, so you have Owen Wilson, Brad Pitt and Paul Walker (already we're scraping the bottom of the talent barrel).
On the other side we have Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, Canoe Reeves, Johnny Depp, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, John Cusack, George Clooney (okay, grey now, but he's dark haired originally). |
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