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Demisemicenturian 
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 Posted - 01/15/2007 : 10:05:02
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At least once I stayed up all night because I wanted to suggest a special (optional) theme...
Ever thought of buying an alarm clock, Sal?
That would have woken my housemate up, which wouldn't have been nice.  |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 10:12:26
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| The original reason that I would like to be able to start it sometimes, is that I would like to be able to suggest occasional optional themes. However, I would also like to be able to start it for its own sake. Why not? The suggesting timing would additionally mean that different posters would tend to be near the beginning. This is better for fairer voting. (Although people look at all F.Y.C.s, they are likely to favour the ones they read first slightly differently, perhaps better - this is certainly the case when loads of reviews are approved for a new (or newly added film), where variations of the same idea are used.) |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 01/15/2007 10:16:40 |
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Demisemicenturian
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 10:19:03
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Originally posted by Salopian
A different angle on the 'If it ain't broke, why fix it?' mentality is 'Why is something done like that? Because it's always been done that way.'
and it works well.
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 10:46:02
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Originally posted by Josh_the_cat
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Originally posted by Salopian
A different angle on the 'If it ain't broke, why fix it?' mentality is 'Why is something done like that? Because it's always been done that way.'
and it works well.
Josh the cat
Well, I've outlined the advantages of changing it. The only advantage of not changing it would seem to be to give an extra day of viewing to all the people who do not have the Internet at home (i.e. me). |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 12:53:25
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Whippersnapper's Mrs. Doubtfire review is a gem.
Yes, but Face's is older and just as good (though different). |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 15:43:13
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Whippersnapper's Mrs. Doubtfire review is a gem.
Yes, but Face's is older and just as good (though different).
Respectfully, "Man Maid" is not as comedically strong as "Maid Man".
The film does not deal with issues relating to whether things are man made or natural and therefore the "Man Maid" pun is rather vacuous. However, the film does deal with issues of sexual identity and thats what makes the contrast between "Made Man" and "Maid Man" particularly apposite and therefore funny.
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 17:02:28
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The film does not deal with issues relating to whether things are man made or natural and therefore the "Man Maid" pun is rather vacuous. However, the film does deal with issues of sexual identity and thats what makes the contrast between "Made Man" and "Maid Man" particularly apposite and therefore funny.
I thought about that, but it doesn't really hold. What has the situation got to do with a 'made man'? Are you saying that Williams, by wearing drag, is the opposite of a typical made man? Well, sort of, though not strongly so. But he is also a made man in that he creates his own success. However, this is also to a weak degree as 'made man' does not typically refer to actors/presenters, as it's more to do with business. The links with 'man-made' are at least as strong, contrary to what you say. His feminine characteristics are an artificial creation and are explicitly the opposite of the natural. So the earlier review is without question good too. |
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Whippersnapper.
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 17:33:46
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The film does not deal with issues relating to whether things are man made or natural and therefore the "Man Maid" pun is rather vacuous. However, the film does deal with issues of sexual identity and thats what makes the contrast between "Made Man" and "Maid Man" particularly apposite and therefore funny.
I thought about that, but it doesn't really hold. What has the situation got to do with a 'made man'? Are you saying that Williams, by wearing drag, is the opposite of a typical made man? Well, sort of, but not strongly so. But he is also a made man in that he creates his own success. However, this is also to a weak degree as 'made man' does not typically refer to actors/presenters, as it's more to do with business. The links with 'man-made' are as strong, contrary to what you say. His feminine characteristics are an artificial creation and are explicitly the opposite of the natural. So the earlier review is without question good too.
Well, the links with "man-made" are not nearly as strong in my mind. I have in mind (which I assumed people would get) the mafia definition of Made Man, who is a tough guy and not associated with cross dressing - which is why the Sopranos writers used the idea to create their own black comedy in the last series.
Naturally comedic links and antitheses are up to the individual to judge, but they cannot be argued. You cannot argue that something is funny - the listener either sees it as funny or doesn't. So, to me at least, you can argue for some link between "man made" and Mrs Doubtfire, but it doesn't fit for me very well. Yes, it applies a phrase in an unexpected context, but not a particularly appropriate one. So its OK but not great. It's probably worth the votes it has accumulated but not more.  |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 17:40:12
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Well, the links with "man-made" are not nearly as strong in my mind. I have in mind (which I assumed people would get) the mafia definition of Made Man, who is a tough guy and not associated with cross dressing - which is why the Sopranos writers used the idea to create their own black comedy in the last series.
Naturally comedic links and antitheses are up to the individual to judge, but they cannot be argued. You cannot argue that something is funny - the listener either sees it as funny or doesn't. So, to me at least, you can argue for some link between "man made" and Mrs Doubtfire, but it doesn't fit for me very well. Yes, it applies a phrase in an unexpected context, but not a particularly appropriate one. So its OK but not great. It's probably worth the votes it has accumulated but not more.
O.K., I wasn't familiar with this meaning, and was interpreting it as the same as 'self-made man'. However, you are right that it has the standard meaning you mention. Nevertheless, the film contrasting macho behaviour is not a more significant characteristic than its featuring the artificial (prosthetics, make-up, invented personality). Of course you are right that one cannot argue that something is objectively funnier, but one can state that one finds something funnier and argue that the basis for that is stronger than another basis. If the film had any kind of mafia/gangland/crime context, or if Williams's male character were macho, then one might be able to argue that 'made man' might have a stronger relevance, but as it is 'man-made' does. |
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 17:51:21
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Whippersnapper.
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 18:37:02
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Well, the links with "man-made" are not nearly as strong in my mind. I have in mind (which I assumed people would get) the mafia definition of Made Man, who is a tough guy and not associated with cross dressing - which is why the Sopranos writers used the idea to create their own black comedy in the last series.
Naturally comedic links and antitheses are up to the individual to judge, but they cannot be argued. You cannot argue that something is funny - the listener either sees it as funny or doesn't. So, to me at least, you can argue for some link between "man made" and Mrs Doubtfire, but it doesn't fit for me very well. Yes, it applies a phrase in an unexpected context, but not a particularly appropriate one. So its OK but not great. It's probably worth the votes it has accumulated but not more.
O.K., I wasn't familiar with this meaning, and was interpreting it as the same as 'self-made man'. However, you are right that it has the standard meaning you mention. Nevertheless, the film contrasting macho behaviour is not a more significant characteristic than its featuring the artificial (prosthetics, make-up, invented personality). Of course you are right that one cannot argue that something is objectively funnier, but one can state that one finds something funnier and argue that the basis for that is stronger than another basis. If the film had any kind of mafia/gangland/crime context, or if Williams's male character were macho, then one might be able to argue that 'made man' might have a stronger relevance, but as it is 'man-made' does.
Its relevance lies in its antithetical relationship - it is both true literally that he is a maid man and that is a polar opposite to the idea of a Mafia-style Made Man.
Any further explanations I'm gonna have to bill you for. Sorry.
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Demisemicenturian
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 18:44:50
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Its relevance lies in its antithetical relationship - it is both true literally that he is a maid man and that is a polar opposite to the idea of a Mafia-style Made Man.
Yes, I get that - but there are so many possible contrasting types to a mafioso that this particular one doesn't stand out as anything like the most likely. Your review's still good, but "Man maid"'s artificiality reference makes it at least as good. |
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roger_thornhill 
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