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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 01/19/2007 :  00:46:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shiv

quote:
Originally posted by Shiv

Yeah, I've had a film review rejected a couple of times for a new film and then another fwfrer got a review in first. My reviews weren't acceptable (I'm not disputing that) but I did wonder about how the other reviewer got hold of the title that wasn't released internationlly. That's why I asked about how the MERPs are allocated our films reviews. I think it's because the reviews are not dealt with chronologically. Also, I think that because I was trying to add a new title it was probably added and someone else picked it up. The reviewer who got to it has thousands of reviews so I would expect they are looking out for new films all the time. Also - their review was really good and much better than anything I'd managed to put together!!!!





Oh, and just to add that I am fallible and that I've realised the movies I'm trying to add might entered differently to what I expected. I was looking for the Frankenheimer/Lancaster movie The Train, but it's under 'train, The' . So I thought I was adding a new film but I wasn't





I was searching for Das Boot earlier this week, only found it by searching for Das. It's listed here as Boot, Das.
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."

Posted - 01/19/2007 :  00:46:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shiv

quote:
Originally posted by Shiv

Yeah, I've had a film review rejected a couple of times for a new film and then another fwfrer got a review in first. My reviews weren't acceptable (I'm not disputing that) but I did wonder about how the other reviewer got hold of the title that wasn't released internationlly. That's why I asked about how the MERPs are allocated our films reviews. I think it's because the reviews are not dealt with chronologically. Also, I think that because I was trying to add a new title it was probably added and someone else picked it up. The reviewer who got to it has thousands of reviews so I would expect they are looking out for new films all the time. Also - their review was really good and much better than anything I'd managed to put together!!!!





Oh, and just to add that I am fallible and that I've realised the movies I'm trying to add might entered differently to what I expected. I was looking for the Frankenheimer/Lancaster movie The Train, but it's under 'train, The' . So I thought I was adding a new film but I wasn't




New films added can be found be pressing on the film strip icon on your "my fwfr" page.

However, as you now know, "The Train" has been on the site for some time.

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stroll 
"Husband, Father. Smithsmothsmuthen. Muppetologist."

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  02:34:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not sure why it takes so long to look at my reviews. I have had a review for We are Marshall out for consideration for more than a month. I am sure that many of us reviewers would be glad to help in the process if it meant that our reviews would be looked at more quickly.


Edited by - stroll on 01/24/2007 03:56:29
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  06:51:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by stroll

I am not sure why it takes so long to look at my reviews. I have had a review for We are Marshall out for consideration for more than a month. I am sure that many of us reviewers would be glad to help in the process if it meant that our reviews would be looked at more quickly.





Do be patient, friend. I've got a bunch of November reviews still pending, and I really don't care. They will be looked at eventually and that will be soon enough.
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  09:50:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My oldest are from October and I consider that quite good compared to some times in the past.
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  10:27:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's all very well for people to tell the likes of Stroll to be patient, but there's no doubt in my mind that long approval waits are a cause of serious frustration for many people and probably a cause of people ceasing to use the site altogether. Given the significant drop-off in site use over the past year this is an important issue.

As I have said before, several times (!), the problem is systemic in that there is not enough editing going on relative to the amount of submissions. Logically, we could alleviate the problem by creating some more editors and, IMHO, this should be seriously considered by Benj ASAP.

Pretending that there is no real problem is not, again IMHO, really in the best interests of the site.



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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  11:33:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper

It's all very well for people to tell the likes of Stroll to be patient, but there's no doubt in my mind that long approval waits are a cause of serious frustration for many people and probably a cause of people ceasing to use the site altogether. Given the significant drop-off in site use over the past year this is an important issue.

I agree. For this reason, I think that all new reviewers should be prioritised over everyone else (up to say ten reviews).

quote:
As I have said before, several times (!), the problem is systemic in that there is not enough editing going on relative to the amount of submissions. Logically, we could alleviate the problem by creating some more editors and, IMHO, this should be seriously considered by Benj ASAP.

Pretending that there is no real problem is not, again IMHO, really in the best interests of the site.

I agree with this too. I did not get involved in the MERPs thread, but I thought that the argument that new MERPs would unsettle things did not really make any sense, since they are not currently particularly consistent. (I don't blame them for this: it's natural to have variation across a group and some people within themselves are naturally inconsistent.)

Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 01/24/2007 11:33:36
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stroll 
"Husband, Father. Smithsmothsmuthen. Muppetologist."

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  11:56:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is good information. I did not realize that waiting for months for a review to be approved was commonplace. I have a practice of waiting until I reach a certain amount of approved reviews before I spit out a bunch of submissions. For example I have been hovering in the high 500's since November waiting to reach 600. Once I reached 600, I planned on putting 25 to 50 reviews in my pending file. I have decided to just go on my review jag without the 600 distinction, considering I am now stuck on 596 and 600 could be a long time coming.

I also totally agree with the comments that review approval lag is causing site use loss. I have long considered posting a highly favorable article concerning fwfr as an Amazon so you'd like to ... guide. But, however comfortable others of you may be with approval times longer than seasons, I cannot plug this site unabashedly while such delays exist. Which is a shame considering how much I adore the fwfr format and concept.

Edited by - stroll on 01/24/2007 12:00:14
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  12:31:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nothing is perfect, Stroll, and I can't think of anything I've ever reviewed that hasn't had one or two things that detract from its perfection. I wrote a review of FWFR for two sites and I did mention the long delays in approvals. Even with that, I did recommend this site to my readers. If this ever changes drastically, I'll update my reviews to state that this is the fact. I'm always changing my reviews. So, if I were you, I'd write that review and post it to wherever you want. Making this place more known may also influence Benj and his decision to appoint more editors (or not).
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Koli 
"Striving lackadaisically for perfection."

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  13:54:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Salopian

I had to resubmit it about twenty times before I won through.



Now that's dedication. In fact it's verging on the obsessive. No wonder mine have to wait so long.
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/24/2007 :  14:31:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Koli

Now that's dedication. In fact it's verging on the obsessive. No wonder mine have to wait so long.

It's just that I was determined to have a fair result. I could not comprehend any way in which the MERPs could innocently have left my review while approving the other. Secondly, the fact that unfair approvals/declines sometimes occur does not mean that those errors cannot be rectified. Many people here have a 'that's life' attitude when an older decline for them becomes a newer approval for another, but I don't see that that's how life is. If something is wrong, one should try to correct it. The fact that issues here are relatively insignificant does not matter - small things being corrected does not somehow stop the same happening to big things.

Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 01/24/2007 14:31:36
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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"

Posted - 01/25/2007 :  00:08:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In reference to waiting time I currently have three in the pile from October, and one even from September (the 7th if anyone has an older pending review!), but every so often one or two get picked out and approved, so I feel like I'm getting somewhere, albeit slowly.

But there seems to be no particular rhyme or reason to it. I decided to crack all the Star Wars films and spent an hour working on them all in turn one night earlier this week - the next day my "Empire Strikes Back" had been approved almost instantly ahead of the 60 or so others in the pile, so it's definitely not done by oldest review first, I've worked out that much!
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 01/25/2007 :  01:01:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also have pass 1 reviews that are months old, however, I'm not paying any money to be here, I wait aslong as it takes.
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."

Posted - 01/25/2007 :  02:16:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by thefoxboy

I also have pass 1 reviews that are months old, however, I'm not paying any money to be here, I wait aslong as it takes.



Of course you wait as long as it takes - you have no choice.

On the other hand you have had 63 reviews approved over the last week and I have had 12 (with a pending pile of around 270).




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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 01/25/2007 :  02:25:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Whippersnapper

quote:
Originally posted by thefoxboy

I also have pass 1 reviews that are months old, however, I'm not paying any money to be here, I wait aslong as it takes.



Of course you wait as long as it takes - you have no choice.

On the other hand you have had 63 reviews approved over the last week and I have had 12 (with a pending pile of around 270).




Cause it's a free site, if I was paying membership, I would complian about it.
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