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redPen 
"Because I said so!"
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 Posted - 03/12/2007 : 15:04:56
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Originally posted by Shiv
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Originally posted by redPen
Mom was here all weekend seein' the grandboys, and she got on her way this morning, so I'm here with all-new stuff!
In "Snatch," Brad ("Fight Club") Pitt plays another bare-knuckle brawler, but this one was an Irish gypsy.
Very good impression of Brad's accent there
Thank you, Shiv! I'm completely American, but I AM Scotch-Irish and I have a great ear for accents, so the brogue comes very easily to me. Whenever I get together with this writers' group I'm in, there's a lady in it who is from Ireland, and without even thinking about it, I "brogue" with her. I had to actually apologize to her once I realized it, cuz I didn't want her to think I was mocking her. I love the accent because it sounds so musical.
. . . and as I tell all about my heritage: "Don't mess with me. My ancestors hit the battlefield in skirts and kicked the SHYTE outta guys in armor!"
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/12/2007 : 15:37:46
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Originally posted by redPen
I'm completely American, but I AM Scotch-Irish
I don't want to get into an argument, but this statement is so telling! I have got an American friend who insists that he is as English as I am - it drives me mad. (I don't actually consider myself English, but that's not what he means.) And only Americans call people Scotch - for everyone else it is restricted to the eggs, the mist and the whisky.
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. . . and as I tell all about my heritage: "Don't mess with me. My ancestors hit the battlefield in skirts and kicked the SHYTE outta guys in armor!"
Hhmmm, you do know about the real history of the kilt, right? |
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Sludge 
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 03/12/2007 : 16:39:57
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I'm the Mayor: Vote for me.
Kind of spoilers for Friday the 13th Part V, in case you cared. |
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redPen
"Because I said so!"
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Posted - 03/12/2007 : 17:32:26
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by redPen
I'm completely American, but I AM Scotch-Irish
I don't want to get into an argument, but this statement is so telling! I have got an American friend who insists that he is as English as I am - it drives me mad. (I don't actually consider myself English, but that's not what he means.) And only Americans call people Scotch - for everyone else it is restricted to the eggs, the mist and the whisky.
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. . . and as I tell all about my heritage: "Don't mess with me. My ancestors hit the battlefield in skirts and kicked the SHYTE outta guys in armor!"
Hhmmm, you do know about the real history of the kilt, right?
All right, Sal, time to enlighten me, so as not to upset anyone else. As far as I know, it is only worded as Scotch-Irish. I've never seen or heard it any other way. No, I don't know the history of the kilt, and I'd love to hear it.
And for the record, I never said I was as anything as anyone else. I merely said I was Scotch(pardon the repeat)-Irish, which is true . . . by heritage, not geographical location.
As for the rest, enlighten us all. . . . |
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 08:37:25
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by redPen
I'm completely American, but I AM Scotch-Irish
I don't want to get into an argument, but this statement is so telling! And only Americans call people Scotch - for everyone else it is restricted to the eggs, the mist and the whisky.
It's a worrying stance but, I have to agree with Salopian. Most if not all Scottish people find the term Scotch when referring to them quite offensive!
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Originally posted by Salopian
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[quote]Originally posted by redPen
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. . . and as I tell all about my heritage: "Don't mess with me. My ancestors hit the battlefield in skirts and kicked the SHYTE outta guys in armor!"
Hhmmm, you do know about the real history of the kilt, right?
Try reading this, and you do know that
1 the wars are over
2 we are now a United Kingdom
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Edited by - Josh the cat on 03/13/2007 08:39:48 |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 10:22:59
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And Josh knows about kilts - I seem to remember you posting a picture - wedding picture? - of you wearing one!
Of course kilts are worn throughout the world even today. Its just that they are usually called "skirts" and worn by women.  |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 10:38:14
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
And Josh knows about kilts - I seem to remember you posting a picture - wedding picture? - of you wearing one!
Of course kilts are worn throughout the world even today. Its just that they are usually called "skirts" and worn by women.
... and the lovely Eddie Izzard and the startling Grayson Perry and the footbally David Beckham et al.
Do NOT say Al who? I know you want to. Just don't.
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 10:42:57
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Originally posted by Josh_the_cat
and you do know that
1 the wars are over
Josh the cat
Try telling that to Ronan O'Gara after last weeks Rugby match!! |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 11:53:47
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... and the lovely Eddie Izzard and the startling Grayson Perry and the footbally David Beckham et al.
Do NOT say Al who? I know you want to. Just don't.
As if! 
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redPen
"Because I said so!"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 18:54:58
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Originally posted by Josh_the_cat
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by redPen
I'm completely American, but I AM Scotch-Irish
I don't want to get into an argument, but this statement is so telling! And only Americans call people Scotch - for everyone else it is restricted to the eggs, the mist and the whisky.
It's a worrying stance but, I have to agree with Salopian. Most if not all Scottish people find the term Scotch when referring to them quite offensive!
Josh the cat
Well, that's two voices in agreement, but no one has shared the correct form with me as yet. . . . Is it "Scottish-Irish"? That's my only blind guess. As I said earlier, it's not something I've heard before.
Don't worry, Josh. I'm not upset. I'm curious, as I like to be accurate.
It's an editor thing. |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 19:23:28
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The alternative is "Scots-Irish".
However, in "Scotch-Irish" the "Scotch" is really adjectival, as we are NOT talking about people of mixed Scottish and Irish ancestry, but people who are descended from people who were Scots and then settled in Ireland. These were Protestant, as opposed - and I mean opposed - to the original Catholic Irish population.
Therefore it is not a case of Scotch being a noun, but describing "Irish". No-one is being called "Scotch".
Apparently the term "Scotch-Irish" has been a legitimate American-English () expression for hundreds of years, so this is just another case of a jumped-up anal retentive dictating to other people how they should express themselves.
No offence intended.
Wikipedia reference
This quotes references for the term used from 1744 onwards.
Redpen, please go on referring to your ethnicity in any way you feel is appropriate.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 20:01:08
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Apparently the term "Scotch-Irish" has been a legitimate American-English () expression for hundreds of years, so this is just another case of a jumped-up anal retentive dictating to other people how they should express themselves.
You know better than Wikipedia, do you? Note that I said that only Americans used the term - I never said that they were not allowed to. It is up to them whether they want to offend Scottish people or not. Hhmmm, whose opinion should count � yours or the whole of Scotland?
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Sludge
"Charlie Don't Serf!"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 20:11:53
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 20:30:37
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Wikipedia reference
Before you added this (typically, egomaniacally oversized) link, which is also included within the one I gave, in my preceding post and my original post on the matter I had already referred to this usage. This does not make it any more acceptable to Scottish people. |
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