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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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 Posted - 03/13/2007 : 21:01:19
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
Wikipedia reference
Before you added this (typically, egomaniacally oversized) link, which is also included within the one I gave, in my preceding post and my original post on the matter I had already referred to this usage. This does not make it any more acceptable to Scottish people.
You are incredibly obtuse and blinkered.
The point is that the term does not describe Scottish people, and therefore they have no business being upset by it. If a Scot was called Scotch he could reasonably get upset by it, if he had nothing better to do with his life, which he probably has.
This term refers to people who live in North America who are of Scotch-Irish ancestry, and if they want to refer to themselves as Scotch-Irish they are perfectly entitled to do so. And they have done so for 250 years. And personally I hope they go on doing so for as long as they choose to.
This really has nothing to do with any perceived insult to Scottish people - its about your perceived superiority over everyone else in the use of language, and your intolerance of linguistic pluralism.
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 21:22:53
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The point is that the term does not describe Scottish people, and therefore they have no business being upset by it. If a Scot was called Scotch he could reasonably get upset by it, if he had nothing better to do with his life, which he probably has.
This point was sufficiently idiotic that I overlooked it the previous time. Scotch-Irish American means a type of American, but the Scotch part still refers to being Scottish! People identifying with this group are identifying with their perceived Scottish partial background - it is nonsensical to try to talk as though that is not referring to Scotland.
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This really has nothing to do with any perceived insult to Scottish people - its about your perceived superiority over everyone else in the use of language, and your intolerance of linguistic pluralism.
Please stop reacting to what you imagined I said. You are being far too confused and boring, as usual. My Scotch point was perfectly accurately stated. My main point was commenting on the American practice of clinging onto an arbitrary part of one's ancestry (arbitrary in terms of point in one's family's history and/or proportion of one's ancestors). From the example I mentioned, I made it very clear that I was talking from a personal perspective, not specifically focusing on the case of another group of people. Please do not continue your normal incessant muddle in response to this. If you wish to continue, please respond to what I have actually said and try to make some sense, rather than wittering on about adjectives and nouns in a way that is neither accurate nor relevant to what I have said. |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 03/13/2007 21:25:03 |
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roger_thornhill 
"'scuse me while I disappear..."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 21:38:05
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For the love of Pete, take it to another thread!
EDIT: I mean it is easy enough to overlook a fycth posting without having to sift through this bullsh*t. |
Edited by - roger_thornhill on 03/13/2007 21:40:52 |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 21:48:03
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Originally posted by george_kaplan
EDIT: I mean it is easy enough to overlook a fycth posting without having to sift through this bullsh*t.
Oh yeah, it's really hard to catch them all. It must take a whole minute to scan through four pages of a thread.   |
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Koli 
"Striving lackadaisically for perfection."
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 22:27:59
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Children children. Do behave.
Done & dusted.
Gave 4 out of 5 for Whippa and Yukon. Great stuff. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 03/13/2007 : 22:52:03
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Originally posted by Sludge
VV to Mister B
1) Is Mister B me?
2) Whuzzat mean?
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chazbo
"Outta This Fuckin' Place"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 00:30:18
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Have voted as a true Iritch American.
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redPen 
"Because I said so!"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 04:44:45
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
The alternative is "Scots-Irish".
However, in "Scotch-Irish" the "Scotch" is really adjectival, as we are NOT talking about people of mixed Scottish and Irish ancestry, but people who are descended from people who were Scots and then settled in Ireland. These were Protestant, as opposed - and I mean opposed - to the original Catholic Irish population.
Therefore it is not a case of Scotch being a noun, but describing "Irish". No-one is being called "Scotch".
Apparently the term "Scotch-Irish" has been a legitimate American-English ( ) expression for hundreds of years, so this is just another case of a jumped-up anal retentive dictating to other people how they should express themselves.
No offence intended.
Wikipedia reference
This quotes references for the term used from 1744 onwards.
Redpen, please go on referring to your ethnicity in any way you feel is appropriate.
Whip, would the terminology be any different if I was descended from BOTH Scotland and Ireland? As it happens, Mom's people were MacKinnons from Scotland and Dad's were Penders from Ireland.
Again, just looking for clarity.  |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 09:36:00
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Voted t'here
Sal and whipper you both forgot about Scotch Tape.
Do note the improper use (in Sal's opinion) of scotch that 'stuck'. |
Edited by - Beanmimo on 03/14/2007 11:05:40 |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 10:29:08
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Voted.
I am also baffled, slightly petrified, yet no longer surprised, that Salopian has made an Everest out of a mole hill with this Scotch/Scottish business. His pettiness would be charming if it weren't covered with so much unnecessary ire.
Once again, I agree with the point he's making, but definitely not his belligerent style.
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Conan The Westy
"Father, Faithful Friend, Fwiffer"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 10:51:45
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| Voting done; rumours scotched. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 11:53:21
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Got everyone, getting ready for tomorrow.
(From an Israeli, ex-pat American, of mostly Estonian origins.)
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 12:12:03
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
Do note the improper use (in Sal's opinion) of scotch that 'stuck'.
I haven't said that anything's improper. I just said that Scotch wasn't used for people other than by Americans, and this is just true. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 03/14/2007 : 12:14:14
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Originally posted by Ali
I am also baffled, slightly petrified, yet no longer surprised, that Salopian has made an Everest out of a mole hill with this Scotch/Scottish business. His pettiness would be charming if it weren't covered with so much unnecessary ire.
Once again, I agree with the point he's making, but definitely not his belligerent style.
If you actually look at the progression of posts, you can easily see that I only became irate after Whippersnapper started making his idiotic responses and jibes at me. My original post on the matter was extremely brief and minor. If you want to level charges of making a mountain out of a molehill, you should direct them towards him. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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