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Koli 
"Striving lackadaisically for perfection."
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 Posted - 03/18/2007 : 10:00:12
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Welcome back bife.
Verily, I have done and dusted, like a gleeking onion-eyed flap-dragon. |
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Koli
"Striving lackadaisically for perfection."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 10:25:18
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Originally posted by damalc
oedipus inspired king lear, not hamlet.
Huh? Oedipus is about a son killing his father and marrying his mother. Hamlet's father is killed by his brother Claudius and Hamlet is instructed by his father's ghost to get rid of Claudius - which would put Hamlet on the throne next to his mother the Queen - which is pretty close to the Oedipus story. King Lear is about the King and the loyalty of his three daughters. I don't see where that could be inspired from the Oedipus story.
But, hey, whatever! I've finished voting on this round, see you all tomorrow!
It's interesting to see so much space devoted to the question of a link between Oedipus and Shakespeare's plays. I can't add to what's been said about that one, but I'd like to know why no one has questioned the assumption that a film with 'Nude' in the title must be about sex. Lots of the reviews of Live Nude Shakespeare refer to sexual acts of one sort or another, but so far as I know there's no sex in the film.
The IMDb summary refers to striptease, interviews and exerpts from plays. The summary on AllMovie.com describes it as a mock documentary along the lines of This Is Spinal Tap, adding that it focuses on director Lionel Backslide and his daring new production, entitled "Live Nude Shakespeare." AllMovie says a funny British documentarian interviews the cast and polls audiences viewing the play. Then it says that "the real point of the film is to offer extended scenes from the alleged production involving various attractive women doing striptease routines as other women read suggestive passages from the works of William Shakespeare".
So my point is that if we're going to scrutinise literary allusion in such a painstaking way we really ought to be challenging the notion that nudity equals sex.
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 11:04:32
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Originally posted by Koli
It's interesting to see so much space devoted to the question of a link between Oedipus and Shakespeare's plays. I can't add to what's been said about that one, but I'd like to know why no one has questioned the assumption that a film with 'Nude' in the title must be about sex. Lots of the reviews of Live Nude Shakespeare refer to sexual acts of one sort or another, but so far as I know there's no sex in the film.
The IMDb summary refers to striptease, interviews and exerpts from plays. The summary on AllMovie.com describes it as a mock documentary along the lines of This Is Spinal Tap, adding that it focuses on director Lionel Backslide and his daring new production, entitled "Live Nude Shakespeare." AllMovie says a funny British documentarian interviews the cast and polls audiences viewing the play. Then it says that "the real point of the film is to offer extended scenes from the alleged production involving various attractive women doing striptease routines as other women read suggestive passages from the works of William Shakespeare".
So my point is that if we're going to scrutinise literary allusion in such a painstaking way we really ought to be challenging the notion that nudity equals sex.
You are a wise man, Koli 
BTW -- vv
but will check for latecomers ... not like that you perverts! 
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roger_thornhill 
"'scuse me while I disappear..."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 13:31:48
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It doesn't matter whether Oedipus inspired Hamlet or not--the review says nothing about inspiration--it very clearly is passing off Oedipus Rex as a play by Shakespeare. This is not splitting hairs over an allusion--this goes fundamentally to the reviews relevance, and in my opinion matters even more than the question of nudity/sex.
Since Chaucer's The Knight's Tale inspired Shakespeare's Two Noble Kinsmen, perhaps "Hot liquid in Chaucer" would be an appropriate review for this film.
Or perhaps, since Shakespeare's Macbeth is based on Holinshed's Chronicles, I can write Holinsheds His Clothes.
I don't think either of those is appropriate.
Or why don't I just attribute plays by Eugene O'Neill, Moliere, Racine and Tony Kushner to Shakespeare, since they might share themes or in some cases have been influenced by Shakespeare's work. I know: The Bard man cometh.
If Sludge won't voluntarily delete this review, the least the rest of us can do is decline to vote for it. Seriously guys, this is a no-brainer. |
Edited by - roger_thornhill on 03/18/2007 13:38:59 |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 14:14:05
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So far I find attempting to justify it on the grounds of some similarities between Oedipus and Hamlet less than compelling, but let's give Sludge the opportunity to justify it himself before we reach a conclusion.
I also agree with Koli that the equation of nudity with sex acts is unfair, and I'm delighted that we have  The Naked Witch herself on our side of the argument. |
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rabid kazook 
"Pushing the antelope"
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 14:51:10
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Originally posted by Koli
It's interesting to see so much space devoted to the question of a link between Oedipus and Shakespeare's plays. I can't add to what's been said about that one, but I'd like to know why no one has questioned the assumption that a film with 'Nude' in the title must be about sex. Lots of the reviews of Live Nude Shakespeare refer to sexual acts of one sort or another, but so far as I know there's no sex in the film.
The IMDb summary refers to striptease, interviews and exerpts from plays. The summary on AllMovie.com describes it as a mock documentary along the lines of This Is Spinal Tap, adding that it focuses on director Lionel Backslide and his daring new production, entitled "Live Nude Shakespeare." AllMovie says a funny British documentarian interviews the cast and polls audiences viewing the play. Then it says that "the real point of the film is to offer extended scenes from the alleged production involving various attractive women doing striptease routines as other women read suggestive passages from the works of William Shakespeare".
So my point is that if we're going to scrutinise literary allusion in such a painstaking way we really ought to be challenging the notion that nudity equals sex.
Exactly, there for this was my only vote for the whole movie, I mean you can never go wrong with a parallel ...  |
Edited by - rabid kazook on 03/18/2007 14:52:39 |
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roger_thornhill
"'scuse me while I disappear..."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 18:16:51
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Originally posted by rabid kazook
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Originally posted by Koli
It's interesting to see so much space devoted to the question of a link between Oedipus and Shakespeare's plays. I can't add to what's been said about that one, but I'd like to know why no one has questioned the assumption that a film with 'Nude' in the title must be about sex. Lots of the reviews of Live Nude Shakespeare refer to sexual acts of one sort or another, but so far as I know there's no sex in the film.
The IMDb summary refers to striptease, interviews and exerpts from plays. The summary on AllMovie.com describes it as a mock documentary along the lines of This Is Spinal Tap, adding that it focuses on director Lionel Backslide and his daring new production, entitled "Live Nude Shakespeare." AllMovie says a funny British documentarian interviews the cast and polls audiences viewing the play. Then it says that "the real point of the film is to offer extended scenes from the alleged production involving various attractive women doing striptease routines as other women read suggestive passages from the works of William Shakespeare".
So my point is that if we're going to scrutinise literary allusion in such a painstaking way we really ought to be challenging the notion that nudity equals sex.
Exactly, there for this was my only vote for the whole movie, I mean you can never go wrong with a parallel ...
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 18:41:50
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Originally posted by redPen
Promise . . . no ethnically-charged statements will be made in the course of this fwfr posting!
Hintlet: In "This Boy's Life," Robert ("Raging Bull") DeNiro marries Ellen Barkin, and immediately thereafter demands that their sex be in a certain . . . manner. 
(Heh heh . . . just discovered that I only posted FOUR new ones, so I added a newie for "Dog Day Afternoon," which starred Al Pacino and John Cazale (Michael and Fredo Corleone of "The Godfather" films, respectively) as a homosexual couple who ATTEMPT to rob a bank to finance Cazale's sex change operation.
Nope, not so. The "Sal" character isn't even gay, and gets upset when a news reporter gets that fact wrong. You're confusing Cazale with Chris Sarandon, Pacino's boyfriend: that's who's gonna get the sex change op. Sorry, but the Voting Hammer must remain sheathed on this one; the review makes no sense.
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Edited by - randall on 03/18/2007 18:46:55 |
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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 18:48:28
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All seen to.
Loved the Withnail theme Ali. By the way - regarding your Spiderman review - I get the reference, but I don't get the relevance - what gates?
Also - redPen - I must admit it's been a few years but I don't think Sal and Sonny are lovers in "Dog Day Afternoon" at all. They are 'partners' robbing the bank, but other than that I don't remember anything else being shown or even suggested. Am I forgetting something?
edit: yup - what he said! |
Edited by - demonic on 03/18/2007 18:49:11 |
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Shiv 
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 21:53:17
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Originally posted by Koli
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by damalc
oedipus inspired king lear, not hamlet.
Huh? Oedipus is about a son killing his father and marrying his mother. Hamlet's father is killed by his brother Claudius and Hamlet is instructed by his father's ghost to get rid of Claudius - which would put Hamlet on the throne next to his mother the Queen - which is pretty close to the Oedipus story. King Lear is about the King and the loyalty of his three daughters. I don't see where that could be inspired from the Oedipus story.
But, hey, whatever! I've finished voting on this round, see you all tomorrow!
It's interesting to see so much space devoted to the question of a link between Oedipus and Shakespeare's plays. I can't add to what's been said about that one, but I'd like to know why no one has questioned the assumption that a film with 'Nude' in the title must be about sex. Lots of the reviews of Live Nude Shakespeare refer to sexual acts of one sort or another, but so far as I know there's no sex in the film.
The IMDb summary refers to striptease, interviews and exerpts from plays. The summary on AllMovie.com describes it as a mock documentary along the lines of This Is Spinal Tap, adding that it focuses on director Lionel Backslide and his daring new production, entitled "Live Nude Shakespeare." AllMovie says a funny British documentarian interviews the cast and polls audiences viewing the play. Then it says that "the real point of the film is to offer extended scenes from the alleged production involving various attractive women doing striptease routines as other women read suggestive passages from the works of William Shakespeare".
So my point is that if we're going to scrutinise literary allusion in such a painstaking way we really ought to be challenging the notion that nudity equals sex.
In the IMDB keywords it does say Sex/Hardcore - so I assumed there was some sex in it. However, I only voted on a couple that explicitly refer to sex acts because, well, most of them aren't that clever or funny. I liked The Prof's 'From Bard to perverse' for example.
But you are right, nudity doesn't = sex, so can anyone confirm it is a porn movie? The summary does indeed only mention women - so are there actually any naked men in it? (There are lots of references in the reviews to men's 'bits'.) |
Edited by - Shiv on 03/18/2007 21:57:27 |
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tortoise 
"Still reviewing, but slowly."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 22:19:35
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V + V =  |
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 22:35:29
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VR&VA
to be fair not a great round.
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chazbo
"Outta This Fuckin' Place"
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 22:54:20
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Chose to V rather than not to V.
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Edited by - chazbo on 03/18/2007 22:55:16 |
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Whippersnapper.
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 23:22:44
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V.
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 03/18/2007 : 23:36:23
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You cannot, fwiffrs, take from me any thing that I will willingly part withal: except my votes, except my votes, except my votes |
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Sean's FYCTH - #283
