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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 05/02/2007 : 12:37:45
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Originally posted by lemmycaution
there is nothing in this extensive discussion of puns to suggest that the substitution of 'Red' for 'Blue' in the epithet is a pun.
I've only read the first line, but that (below) disagrees with your statement:
A play on words,... sometimes on the similar sense... of different words.
I don't think it would be valid to interpret similar here as 'almost synonymous', as that would always be a paraphrase rather than a pun. Rather, it's only reasonable for it to include words of the same type of meaning as the originals.
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 14:44:37
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| The Sinatra thing? Wordplay it is, sure. Pun it most emphatically is not. |
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 15:27:24
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| I believe the mane point here (and I'm not lion) is that punning is always wordplay but wordplay is not always punning and if I'm wrong pardon my redundancy. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 19:32:06
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Originally posted by Randall
The Sinatra thing? Wordplay it is, sure. Pun it most emphatically is not.
Be as emphatic as you please: it doesn't convince me any the more. |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:27:02
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"Red" is not a pun on "Blue", hence I don't see "Old Red Eyes" as a pun on "Old Blue Eyes" (it's definitely wordplay though). Definitions I've read for 'pun' require a 'similar sound', (i.e, a 'rhyme').
If adjective-adjective-noun combinations can be considered puns on one another as long as two of the words are the same (with one being totally different in sound) then I don't see any end to it. E.g.:- "I went to the beach and saw a dog" would be a pun on "I went to the beach and saw a cat" simply because most of the words are the same (hence sound the same). I don't think that is what the word 'pun' is commonly and usefully used for.
Some definitions of 'pun' suggest phrases are punnable; I understood this to mean things like "United Snakes" is a pun on "United States", or "hog on the beach" is a pun on "dog on the beach". In these cases the phrase is considered a pun as one of the words is a pun and the phrase as a whole has a similar sound to the original phrase.
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:59:01
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Randall
The Sinatra thing? Wordplay it is, sure. Pun it most emphatically is not.
Be as emphatic as you please: it doesn't convince me any the more.
Sir, my purpose is not to convince you of anything. It is simply to state a fact. |
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 04:13:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Salopian
quote:
Originally posted by lemmycaution
there is nothing in this extensive discussion of puns to suggest that the substitution of 'Red' for 'Blue' in the epithet is a pun.
I've only read the first line, but that (below) disagrees with your statement:
A play on words,... sometimes on the similar sense... of different words.
I don't think it would be valid to interpret similar here as 'almost synonymous', as that would always be a paraphrase rather than a pun. Rather, it's only reasonable for it to include words of the same type of meaning as the originals.
It does not disagree with my statement. Your interpretation disagrees with all the definitions of 'pun'. |
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TitanPa
"Here four more"
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 06:33:45
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| 'Puttin' on the Ritz' mentions Gary Cooper. |
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tortoise 
"Still reviewing, but slowly."
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 16:45:19
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Dire Straits' Calling Elvis.
Robbie Williams' Clean has the line "I'm friends with Charlie Sheen". |
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TitanPa
"Here four more"
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 06:27:44
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| "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby" by Counting Crows is about Monica Potter after Adam Duritz saw her in Patch Adams. It then led to them dating. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 10:51:33
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Originally posted by Se�n
Definitions I've read for 'pun' require a 'similar sound', (i.e, a 'rhyme').
As I'd already said, not all definitions cite this as a requirement. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 10:52:05
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Originally posted by Randall
It is simply to state a fact.
Nope - just interpretation. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 10:52:36
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quote:
Originally posted by lemmycaution
Your interpretation disagrees with all the definitions of 'pun'.
Nope. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 10:56:12
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| I haven't checked whether it has already been mentioned, but there is currently Jessica about Jessica Alba. (I've forgotten the name of the band.) |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 08/13/2007 10:58:59 |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 22:40:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by lemmycaution
Your interpretation disagrees with all the definitions of 'pun'.
Nope.
OK, just the ones on our planet. |
Edited by - randall on 08/14/2007 22:46:23 |
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Songs about movies and movie stars.
