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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."
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 Posted - 04/26/2007 : 00:56:24
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| Don't know if Lenny Bruce qualifies, but REM mention him in "It's The End of the World As We Know it (and I Feel Fine)" |
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TitanPa 
"Here four more"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 20:44:31
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| Jessica Simpson mentions Supergirl in her song "With You". |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 22:42:54
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Originally posted by Salopian
Not a direct reference, but I assume that this is a pun on Frank Sinatra.
Where is the pun? |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 23:16:56
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
Not a direct reference, but I assume that this is a pun on Frank Sinatra.
Where is the pun?
Frank Sinatra's (self-styled) nickname was Old Blue Eyes. |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 05:36:37
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
Not a direct reference, but I assume that this is a pun on Frank Sinatra.
Where is the pun?
Frank Sinatra's (self-styled) nickname was Old Blue Eyes.
So 'red' is a pun on 'blue'? I thought words had to be alike in sound to be classed as a pun.  |
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 19:03:37
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Originally posted by Salopian
Not a direct reference, but I assume that this is a pun on Frank Sinatra.
Hey Sal,
this link doesn't work for me but are you referring to The Beautiful South, "Ol' Red Eyes is Back" |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 09:15:20
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Originally posted by Se�n
So 'red' is a pun on 'blue'? I thought words had to be alike in sound to be classed as a pun.
That's an odd thing to think. The phrase as a whole has to be alike to be a pun, as it is here. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 09:27:14
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
this link doesn't work for me but are you referring to The Beautiful South, "Ol' Red Eyes is Back"
Yup. |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 11:04:36
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From my memory it's just about an old alcoholic and not about Sinatra. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 11:05:55
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
From my memory it's just about an old alcoholic and not about Sinatra.
I don't think it's about Sinatra either. Old Red Eyes is just a pun on Old Blue Eyes. |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 11:37:00
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
From my memory it's just about an old alcoholic and not about Sinatra.
I don't think it's about Sinatra either. Old Red Eyes is just a pun on Old Blue Eyes.
I see, red pupils. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 21:41:03
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
From my memory it's just about an old alcoholic and not about Sinatra.
I don't think it's about Sinatra either. Old Red Eyes is just a pun on Old Blue Eyes.
Um, no, it isn't. A pun, that is. Er, isn't. |
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tortoise 
"Still reviewing, but slowly."
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 22:15:52
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Se�n
So 'red' is a pun on 'blue'? I thought words had to be alike in sound to be classed as a pun.
That's an odd thing to think. The phrase as a whole has to be alike to be a pun, as it is here.
Certainly the phrases have to be alike, but so too do the words upon which the pun is constructed. It is, after all, wordplay rather than phraseplay  . Whatever the phrase ol' red eyes might be, I don't think the fact that red and blue are both colours is enough to class it as a pun.
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pun n.
A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word and sometimes on the similar sense or sound of different words.
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 22:41:48
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
From my memory it's just about an old alcoholic and not about Sinatra.
I don't think it's about Sinatra either. Old Red Eyes is just a pun on Old Blue Eyes.
"Old Blew Ayes" is a (meaningless) pun on "Old Blue Eyes", but there is nothing in this extensive discussion of puns to suggest that the substitution of 'Red' for 'Blue' in the epithet is a pun.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 12:30:47
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I still maintain that that is a pun, although I have to acknowledge that some definitions require a pun to use similar sounds. That said, the O.E.D. says that it uses the same sounds (i.e. only homophones would count), which I do not think is correct at all.
Even if pun has this stricter meaning, wordplay definitely does not. It does not mean 'phonic play within an individual word', so Old Red Eyes is definitely wordplay on 'Old Blue Eyes', just as The Thin Blue Line is wordplay (and I would say a pun) on The Thin Red Line.
By coincidence, I was already planning the next F.W.F.R.ers' challenge to be a category of pun, and ones along the lines of the above will be welcome there. |
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Songs about movies and movie stars.
