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Airbolt 
"teil mann, teil maschine"
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 Posted - 02/05/2007 : 21:21:39
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 22:52:59
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Sludge
This round I have another user tribute.
Nice.
There are separate words till and until, so 'til is never correct, by the way. 
Sorry, but "'til" is perfectly correct as a contraction for "until". We also have the word "madam," to suggest another example, but that doesn't rule out the use of the contraction "ma'am." Sludgie's review definitely passes grammatical muster. |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:36:16
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Sludge
This round I have another user tribute.
Nice.
There are separate words till and until, so 'til is never correct, by the way.
Sorry, but "'til" is perfectly correct as a contraction for "until". We also have the word "madam," to suggest another example, but that doesn't rule out the use of the contraction "ma'am." Sludgie's review definitely passes grammatical muster.
Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary. It seems it depends which side of the pond you're on.
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:55:40
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
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Originally posted by Randall
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Sludge
This round I have another user tribute.
Nice.
There are separate words till and until, so 'til is never correct, by the way.
Sorry, but "'til" is perfectly correct as a contraction for "until". We also have the word "madam," to suggest another example, but that doesn't rule out the use of the contraction "ma'am." Sludgie's review definitely passes grammatical muster.
Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary. It seems it depends which side of the pond you're on.
Yes, 'Til Tuesday and other similar American constructions seem to pervade over here, but this obviously negates Sally's universal use of the word "never," as in, "never correct." The OED is not the word of God, as the Random House Dictionary of Slang proves on every page. The movie upon which Sally is commenting is American. Sludgie's grammar thus supercedes.
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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 02:11:22
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Rather late, but there you are.
Five new, including one that positively flew on approval...
NB:
A sentient bomb in "Dark Star" quotes Descartes' famous phrase "I think, therefore I am".
In "Knight Moves" a chess master hunts a serial killer who uses a camera flash when he kills.
Christopher Eccleston spends much of the second half of "Shallow Grave" in the roof. |
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 03:31:49
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V&V
Chazbo had two of my favs this round:
Single White Female (1992)
This time, Leigh's psycho.
Short Cuts (1993)
Altman: c'est L.A. vie
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 06:44:45
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I'm in.
http://www.fwfr.com/user.asp?id=5267
Joseph Fiennes (pronounced "fine") plays Vivaldi in the upcoming biopic.
Paul Giovanni plays Sky Captain's sidekick. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 07:20:57
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| Well, I've got everyone so far. Some excellent ones this round! |
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:30:42
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Page one voted |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:45:19
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Originally posted by Randall
Sorry, but "'til" is perfectly correct as a contraction for "until". We also have the word "madam," to suggest another example, but that doesn't rule out the use of the contraction "ma'am." Sludgie's review definitely passes grammatical muster.
These two cases are not equivalent. Ma'am simply proves that abbreviations exist: no one was disputing this. In contrast, the existence of till means that this is what people are saying when they use the monosyllabic form; it is just common that people think they are abbreviating until and so they often write this. This is just like among being a variation of, not an abbreviation of, amongst etc. etc. Yes, 'til could become standard over time but this would be a completely pointless development. |
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rabid kazook 
"Pushing the antelope"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:47:48
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Originally posted by Sludge
Howdy folks
I'm pleased that people liked 'Cleese_Ed'. This round I have another user tribute.
Dear llama mamma! Thanks Sludge! I feel so honored! |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:51:13
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Originally posted by Randall
Yes, 'Til Tuesday and other similar American constructions seem to pervade over here, but this obviously negates Sally's universal use of the word "never," as in, "never correct." The OED is not the word of God, as the Random House Dictionary of Slang proves on every page. The movie upon which Sally is commenting is American.
No, the incorrect form is very common over here too. I agree that the O.E.D. is not definitive, but it is more definitive than a slang dictionary. This usage just comes from a misunderstanding. However common that is, I don't think everyone else is going to just forget the word till. Anyway, as well as being generally correct, till is better for the review. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:34:30
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Til in Dictionary.Com. Random House and The Chicago Style Manual both accept its usage.
Salopian, if you only took a few seconds to take a virtual step back, and read through your posts, you would see that what might have seemed emphatic and sanguine to you came across as arrogant and belligerent to many others (and this is from me, Mr Happy).
Get a hold of yourself, pal. You are not the arbiter extraordinaire of, and the chief authority in, all those aspects of life (such as language, homosexuality etc) in which you are particularly interested.
And always remember: The necessity to communicate dictates grammar, and not the other way round.
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:43:11
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Todays highlights
Yukon
Omen, The (2006)
Brat out of Hell.
Sludge's
Shakespeare Behind Bars (2005)
Sonnetary confinement.
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Edited by - Beanmimo on 02/06/2007 10:56:43 |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:55:19
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[i]Originally posted by Salopian
No, the incorrect form is very common over here too.
Isn't this the nature of language?
It IS constantly changing and today's widespread incorrect usage becomes tomorrows correct usage.
The word Silly (originally Selig) meant bookish and studious but through being asociated with weedy and scrawny people who were physically useless the meaning turned to "worthless"
It will never stop me hating the word "bling" though. Has that made it to the OE dictionary yet? |
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