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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:59:30
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
Isn't this the nature of language that it IS constantly changing and today's incorrect usage becomes tomorrows correct usage.
This is certainly the nature of spoken language. The arguments don't really apply in the same way to the artificial construction that is writing. Some variants in spelling do of course occasionally take over from others, but these are usually 'simpler' in some way, which is not the case here. Also, spelling modification, conscious or otherwise, is a bad thing in that it makes texts from the past less accessible. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:13:20
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Originally posted by Ali
Til in Dictionary.Com.
"'Til is usually considered a spelling error"
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Salopian, if you only took a few seconds to take a virtual step back, and read through your posts, you would see that what might have seemed emphatic and sanguine to you came across as arrogant and belligerent to many others (and this is from me, Mr Happy).
I stand by what I said and how. You are particularly prone to sweeping announcements, so I am sure that you cannot but agree that what one says is by definition only what one thinks.
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Get a hold of yourself, pal. You are not the arbiter extraordinaire of, and the chief authority in, all those aspects of life (such as language, homosexuality etc) in which you are particularly interested.
Don't call me pal. I talk about what I know about, whereas others talk about anything, regardless of what they know. I have not suggested that I am the arbiter of anything (as I have pointed out before when Josh has previously made his policeman point). In everything that I said in the lengthy offensive-vocabulary thread, I backed it up, whereas other arguments came down to "That's just how it is." In this instance, I was perfectly happy to state as a fact something presented as such by standard dictionaries. These are not arbiters either; they just reflect language accurately. An apostrophe has a meaning, i.e. that part is missing - nothing is being missed out when one says till. If you are suggesting that apostrophes have now got a new usage, that of randomly decorating words, well, that is up to you.
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And always remember: The necessity to communicate dictates grammar, and not the other way round.
This is obvious, at best beside the point and at worst counter to it. Arbitrarily changing spellings over time can only hinder communication, as it leads to different people (contemporaries or otherwise) using different forms. |
Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 02/06/2007 12:56:42 |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:18:47
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
Isn't this the nature of language that it IS constantly changing and today's incorrect usage becomes tomorrows correct usage.
This is certainly the nature of spoken language. The arguments don't really apply in the same way to the artificial construction that is writing. Some variants in spelling do of course occasionally take over from others, but these are usually 'simpler' in some way, which is not the case here. Also, spelling modification, conscious or otherwise, is a bad thing in that it makes texts from the past less accessible.
Let's discuss this over here. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:34:33
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Originally posted by Ali
Random House... accept[s] its usage.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:59:06
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
It will never stop me hating the word "bling" though. Has that made it to the OE dictionary yet?
It's not in my 2002 edition, but I think it's very likely that it's in now. I think it's a useful word because it makes people who like bling and use the word seem ridiculous.  |
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Ali 
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 12:04:08
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I am taking my responses to my pal Salopian to the thread linked by ChocolateLady.
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 15:12:39
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roger_thornhill 
"'scuse me while I disappear..."
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 15:16:30
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Originally posted by Yukon
V&V
Chazbo had two of my favs this round:
Single White Female (1992)
This time, Leigh's psycho.
Short Cuts (1993)
Altman: c'est L.A. vie
I second this compliment--in fact, Chazbo got 5 for 5 from me this round!
(Sorry my five were not necessarily up to snuff but I have some approvals finally trickling through so I should have better ones next round!) |
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Josh the cat
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 19:18:30
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Josh_the_cat
My 5 oldest reviews still remaining.
So did you submit one review in Summer 2002 and then come back two years later?!  
yup! |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:41:20
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Yukon.
Interesting review for The Omen, "Brat out of hell". I deleted this exact review from my pending pile in 2004 when I saw that Mr Stupid had the same review for Little Nicky.
And we were both surprised to find that Rovark had beaten us both with the same review on Psychomania.
So sorry for not voting for it.  |
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chazbo
"Outta This Fuckin' Place"
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 04:15:51
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V&V to here.
Thanks BaftaBabe, Yukon, and Mr. Kaplan for the kind remarks.
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redPen
"Because I said so!"
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 10:52:45
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Sorry, folks. I came to check on movie review votes. Apparently, I stepped into a nasty language debate string. . . .
I'll come back and check again. |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 11:25:41
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Voted to the bitter end |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/07/2007 : 11:32:02
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Voted for everyone even though I really don't care if 'til is correct or not.
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