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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Larry
"Larry's time / sat merrily"
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Airbolt 
"teil mann, teil maschine"
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Demisemicenturian 
"Four ever European"
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 Posted - 04/28/2008 : 11:27:27
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Hmm - didn't know about either of those, which doesn't, I think, invalidate my own ... which is the only one with correct grammar
I agree that the form in yours is better English (although the possessive is not really needed at all and thus "A Bugs life" would be better still), but I'm not sure that that's a good reason to have the review a third time. It is not against the explicit site rules, but...   |
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 11:43:16
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 11:54:39
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Which ones?
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 11:57:59
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Originally posted by Ali
Which ones?
I don't want to go into specifics, as everyone always then gets in a strop (but neither is one of yours). I've noted with my pending reviews that they are older, not that that ever seems to have been read when I have done so in the past. |
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 12:48:15
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Hmm - didn't know about either of those, which doesn't, I think, invalidate my own ... which is the only one with correct grammar
I agree that the form in yours is better English (although the possessive is not really needed at all and thus "A Bugs life" would be better still), but I'm not sure that that's a good reason to have the review a third time. It is not against the explicit site rules, but...
I repeat: I didn't know about the other two. Maybe we should all search every film on the site just in case there's a fwfr for another film too similar to the one we want to submit. But I bet no one does. Except maybe you 
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on the grammar thing ... you got me thinking, and we're both wrong! According to The Tongue United, a pretty good site indeed, it's not okay to just leave out the apostrophe for possessive nouns. However, when using a proper name [e.g. Bugs] it's okay to put the apostrophe at the end without adding another 's'. I guess I shoulda known that, but ... now I do!
So thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Yukon
"Co-editor of FWFR book"
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 13:05:05
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
Hmm - didn't know about either of those, which doesn't, I think, invalidate my own ... which is the only one with correct grammar
I agree that the form in yours is better English (although the possessive is not really needed at all and thus "A Bugs life" would be better still), but I'm not sure that that's a good reason to have the review a third time. It is not against the explicit site rules, but...
I repeat: I didn't know about the other two. Maybe we should all search every film on the site just in case there's a fwfr for another film too similar to the one we want to submit. But I bet no one does. Except maybe you
BUT
on the grammar thing ... you got me thinking, and we're both wrong! According to The Tongue United, a pretty good site indeed, it's not okay to just leave out the apostrophe for possessive nouns. However, when using a proper name [e.g. Bugs] it's okay to put the apostrophe at the end without adding another 's'. I guess I shoulda known that, but ... now I do!
So thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Funny you should mention the Bugs' vs. Bugs's debate. I just had my letter on the topic answered in a grammar expert's syndicated newspaper column. (Technically, we're both right).
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Dr. Seuss' movie title causes grief for editor
WORD COURT
By Barbara Wallraff
Michael Onesi of Kingston, Ont., writes: "Hollywood has me confused about the use of ''s' following a name that ends with 's.' Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who! is now playing in theatres. The punctuation of this title conflicts with the name of a hit movie from a few years ago, Bridget Jones's Diary. Who is right? Should it be Dr. Seuss's or Bridget Jones'?"
Dear Michael: No matter what I tell you, some authorities will call me wrong. The Associated Press Stylebook, which most newspapers follow, says that to make a possessive out of a singular name that ends in "s," you shouldn't add anything more than an apostrophe - so Jones'. But the Chicago Manual of Style, which many book publishers follow, says it's better to add an "s" as well - so Seuss's and Jones's.
I'm in favour of writing the "s," because we pronounce it as an extra syllable - "Seuss-ez," "Jones-ez." Still, I know it saves ink and trees and space to leave the "s" off - and newspapers try to be economical with all three, so I don't hold their choice against them. A good case can be made on each side of this argument. Be that as it may, no one who cares in the slightest about language seems tempted to say, "Oh, whatever." Even the Arkansas legislature has weighed in. Last year it passed a bill making "Arkansas's" the official possessive. The state's largest paper, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, won't hear of it, though, and continues to use the possessive "Arkansas'."
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 13:22:23
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The following is from Strunk's (and Strunk and White's) The Elements of Style:
Form the possessive singular of nouns with 's.
Follow this rule whatever the final consonant. Thus write,
Charles's friend
Burns's poems
the witch's malice
This is the usage of the United States Government Printing Office and of the Oxford University Press.
Exceptions are the possessives of ancient proper names in -es and -is, the possessive Jesus', and such forms as for conscience' sake, for righteousness' sake. But such forms as Achilles' heel, Moses' laws, Isis' temple are commonly replaced by
the heel of Achilles
the laws of Moses
the temple of Isis
The pronominal possessives hers, its, theirs, yours, and oneself have no apostrophe.
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 14:12:09
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
I repeat: I didn't know about the other two. Maybe we should all search every film on the site just in case there's a fwfr for another film too similar to the one we want to submit.
There are two issues here. Not knowing at the time of submission does not mean that one should not delete the review when one finds out. (For example, I had a nice "heart, felt" review for a Muppets film and got rid of it when I think Randall pointed out that he had an older one for another Muppets film.) The fact that one is not to blame has nothing to do with it. Secondly, of course we don't check for most reviews, but there are reviews which it is really very likely have already been taken. A quick check on Google soon confirms this either way.
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on the grammar thing ... you got me thinking, and we're both wrong!
As the others have detailed, opinions on the matter differ, but my own preference and the one that seems far more rational is to follow pronunciation (and further to always pronounce the "iz" except in phrases such as some that Ali has given). However, I didn't say that you could drop it altogether and still have the possessive form - rather that you didn't need the possessive at all. (The "A" means that we are not talking about typical phrases anyway, especially as he is not one of multiple Bugses.) For example, "A SpongeBob life" is about as correct as "A SpongeBob's life". (There is a slight difference of meaning, but both are fine.) |
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Demisemicenturian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 14:16:27
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Cheese_Ed 
"The Provolone Ranger"
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